Talk:Canvey Island

Island status
Is it still an island? Is it connected to the mainland e.g. by a bridge? Ben Finn 15:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * There are two bridges that link it to the mainland, though that doesn't stop it being an island. -- Roleplayer 19:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * (Offensive comment removed)OrewaTel (talk) 21:32, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Article quality
article looks like it was written by school children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.144.135 (talk) 04:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

There are parts that are written by someone who does not like Canvey. This is sad as the rest is interesting and accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.116.124 (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you point out which parts you are referring to? -- Roleplayer 21:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's badly written. One example is 'the team was relegated two years back'. Two years back from when?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.217.112.50 (talk) 14:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Population
I've put the population figure back to the 2001 census figure, which is 37,478 according to. I can't believe it has grown to 45,000 in just 6 years. Interplanet Janet 18:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Red hills
I've been led to believe that the mound in the grounds of Cornelius Vermuyden school is a red hill, but as yet have been unable to confirm this (I've briefly seen some data at Southend library about the study of the hills by Ernest Linder but the locations were vague, and this map does not point to anything in the correct area). Does anybody have alternative references to support the idea, or know of any other hills which may still exist? Oneblackline (talk) 14:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

NPOV flag
in lede, "fasting growing" -- by what criterion? why not just " a rapidly growing"?

This is such a GOOD article, I assume someone will read this and take note. Hence further comments:

Minutiae
1. I have vivid recollections of the flood. Contemporary newspaper accounts could give further information, maybe best forgotten. I think (and my recollection and / or the newspaper article I think I remember may be wrong) that someone had been instructed to watch the rise in water level, but thought he only had to report it once it flowed OVER the dike.

2. The railways between the Southend area and London, at the time of the flood, were owned by the LMS (London, Midland and Scottish) which operated the line that went through Leigh and Benfleet to Fenchurch Street, and the LNER (London and North Eastern Railway) which operated the line that went from near Victoria Circus in Southend to Liverpool Street. The Canvey Island flood put the LMS line out of operation for several weeks. Commuters east of Benfleet had to go into Southend and catch the LNER. This must be verifiable somewhere.

3. first delivery -- I am always uneasy about claims like that -- "one of the earliest" is safer and a strong verifiable reference is essential. I have some professional knowledge of petroleum and petrochemical industries and tanker fleet activities in the relevant time slot. And a verifiable reference to the environmental assessment is essential.

4. "exacting the location ..." technically, this usage is allowed by definition 7 in OED. I have not checked Random House Dictionary, but I think "faced in determining the location ... with greater precision" (or "greater accuracy") would be better. Be very careful about "exact" and "precise" if you do not state error bounds. This is significant, at times, in description of archeological and historical data, as well as grating on readers in natural science and mathematics.

5. "mere coincidence" -- how do you distinguish "mere coincidence" from coincidence that is not mere.

6."flats being so shallow" -- not sure what, if anything, this means. Entire paragraph on Incular Island highly speculative. How can anyone be certain this was site of counsing of tribes several thousand years ago, maybe likely, but ... As background, beaches and sand banks change significantly during periods of a few hundred years -- "Popular Lecture" by J.D.Bernal at British Association annual meeting in Brighton in 1948 entitle "Waves and Beaches" mentioned role of mediaevalists in planning Normandy invasion -- comparing coastlines on old and current maps.

7. "The uniform flatness ... suggests ..." -- should this be "Because the elevation varies between just ... feet below, and ... feet above sea level under conditions implicit in ... (reference to Google Earth or whatever your source)"

8. "lapping at his feet" -- be careful which version of the legend you use -- and give reference -- there is totally different version in which Canute sat in safety with wizards tied to stakes, to show his followers that the wizards lacked power by dint of their inability to turn back tide.

9. "30 miles East of London" -- where in London -- Oxford Circus, Tower of London, closest point in most recent redistricting? Be specific and give source. Not an inconsequential detail.

10. "west of Southend ' mention adjacency of Benfleet and Leigh

11. "The island is extremely flat ..." quantify

12. "has propensity for flooding" -- "is subject to flooding"

13. "local politicians" -- how local -- only residents

14. Question -- were there houseboats along coast of Canvey Island and Leigh?

15. I think it would be helpful to mention species of algae and other seashore life -- my strongest recollection of the beach, the one time I went there, was the seaweed.

16. capitalize geological eras e.g. Holocene

Michael P. Barnett (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Notable people
In many instances the connection between the notable person and Canvey was not made clear and I have corrected this. Where a connection could not be found, I have deleted the entry.Tomintoul (talk) 12:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

The evidence was provided by a user but u have removed - why? Jessica Judd went to school at catle Point School as per her wiki which is on Canvey, while Dean Marney ref to canvey added by user from local paper.176.251.227.118 (talk) 20:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Just putting the name is insufficient. Needs to say, for example, 'Fred Bloggs was born on Canvey' or 'Fred Bloggs went to school on Canvey' and be supported by a reference. Look at the other names and you'll see what I mean. Tomintoul (talk) 08:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Tomintoul, you have deleted without looking - Jessica Judd says residence Canvey Island and went to school on Castle Point School, which is on Canvey. She has been put on as notable people don't have to be born in the town - if that was the case many notable people in the South East Towns would have to be on Basildon, Rochford or Southend as this was were the maternity hospital is. Dean Marney does not say that he is connected to Canvey on his wiki page, but that does not act as a reference. References have to be made from sources outside of wikipedia. I have now attached an interview with his parents which shows this, although the Evening Echo's previous reference is sufficient based on Wikipedia's rules.Davidstewartharvey (talk) 11:06, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

David, please re-read what I have said. All you need is a simple addition specifying the relationship and then a reference supporting it. Have a look at the other names and you will see what I mean.Tomintoul (talk) 13:33, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

"one of the largest towns in Britain without a rail station within its boundaries"
The article contained the (unsourced) sentence "Since the island was officially made a 'town' in 2007 it technically became one of the largest towns in Britain without a rail station within its boundaries.". The article for Washington makes a similar claim, and also refers to Dudley, Newcastle under Lyme and Gosport.

In the terms used here, I could add Oldham and South Shields to that (for which the lines their railway stations were on have been converted to Metrolink] and [[Tyne_and_Wear_Metro|Metro respectively).

While identifying the population, area and boundaries of a town can sometimes be tricky, I think it's reasonable to say that Canvey Island's not all that big by comparison.

If it does belong there, please explain why here, and (preferably) make the claim being made a bit clearer in the article. Thank you. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 11:02, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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1953 Floods
Many years ago I read an article in Essex Countryside magazine. It stated that there was a good sea wall in place in 1953. Unfortunately it was a Sea wall and only protected against the Sea (or rather the estuary). Against massive storm waves it worked perfectly. In 1953 the tidal surge caused the water level to rise as a whole and consequently the Fleet rose and flooded the back of the island. I no longer have any copies of the magazine nor have access to suitable archives. OrewaTel (talk) 21:39, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

Opening statement
I am not sure if we need reclaimed in the lead? Technically it has always been an island, as the article confirms, although parts of it have been reclaimed (60 acres for example). What do people think? Davidstewartharvey (talk) 13:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)