Talk:Cappadocia

Pronunciation?
All languages other than English have a K in the final syllable e.g. kapadokya (Turkish), so why does the suggested pronunciation have a ch / sh sound? Feels very wrong.

Comment on Caesaria being in Cilicia??
Currently, the article mentions that Caesaria is in Cilicia, which sounds inaccurate given the fact that Cilicia covers the Taurus mountains and the plains south of it. In the article, this was mentioned in the context of Strabo and the ancient kingdom of Cappadocia and I can't check this at the moment. Someone more familiar with Strabo may want to confirm or disprove this. 73.44.31.135 (talk) 02:29, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Looks to me like Caesarea being mentioned as part of Cilicia must’ve been a typo. Kayseri is most definitely in Cappadocia. MosesAlaca (talk) 06:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Comment
Is there any sense of who the Cappadocians were? I'd assume they were Indo-Europeans, but was their language an Anatolian language, suggesting affinity to the Hittites and other aboriginal inhabitants of the area, or more closely related to Phrygian and Armenian, and thus of more recent arrival? Are there theories about this? john k 7 July 2005 21:01 (UTC)

Why is there no mention about the Greeks of Cappadocia or its late history? Petros The Greek 11:28, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You should add something, just use the edit button. dml 13:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

This is doubtless trivial, but in the Simpsons, it is mentioned that the Cappadocians considered being Chief Hydrological Engineer a 'calling.' Is this simply random, or is there some historical in-joke? Tenthweb 19:21, 05 October 2005 (GMT)


 * The Simpsons reference is indeed a bit of a historical joke, being that the landscape of Cappadocia would make moving water from one place to another quite difficult. Thus, hydrological engineering would be a "calling" in that region.  I find this Simpsons quote to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard on television.  Sideshow Bob to his brother: "Cecil, no civilization in history has ever considered chief Hydrological Engineer a calling."  [Cecil clears his throat]  "Yes, yes, the Cappadocians; fine."  kirkesque 16:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Mesothelioma: There appears to be a non-sequitur in this paragraph. The part after the word "but" is not necessarlly exclusive Danensis (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2011 (UTC).

Miscellaneous
Excerpt from Simpsons Episode

"The Brother From Another Series (#4F14)"

CECIL: "I suppose I should thank you, it led me to my true calling."

SIDESHOW BOB: "Cecil, no civilization in history has ever considered Chief Hydrological Engineer a 'calling'."

(Cecil glares at Bob, and clears his throat)

SIDESHOW BOB: "Yes, yes, the Cappadocians, fine."
 * I do not see why this should be in the article. Thus we could list all funny quotes or all mentions of Cappadocia. This is something to joke about on the TALK page but it is certainly not an encyclopedia material... --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  10:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


 * MANY articles have a "Cultural References" section that refer to times/places that the subject of a particular article have appeared in books/TV/movies etc. In this case, the general format would probably be something like: In the Simpson's episode "Brother from Another Series" the Cappadocians are acknowldged as the only "civilization in history that has ever considered Chief Hydrological Engineer a 'calling'."
 * I think it should be returned to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.15.115.165 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Underground Cities
Methinks there should be more information about this in the article. Jachra 01:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

history
I just overlooked the map of Cappadocia, and it looks like during its time the Hurrian state of Kizzuwatna would have covered part of Cappadocia, so maybe we should add this to the history...?

Nearly a copyvio?
Although this edit regarding Tigranes the Great was acknowledged as a quotation, it may be too long to be a legitimate use. (The original is here). Trimmed and inserted into its correct chronological order. Source citation expanded. Old Moonraker 07:26, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Where are these places?
Where was Pterium and Eyuk? They are mentioned in some old sources but don't have articles at WP yet. Badagnani (talk) 08:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Origin of name
The source listed for the "Persian" origin of the name has been cited as questionable. I agree with this. I spoke with people I know who know Old and modern Persian, and they can't make any sense of how the name has the meaning given ("land of beautiful horses"). It's likely that it's just made-up nationalist speculation. Someone who knows better should deal with this Firespeaker (talk) 08:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I see this horse etymology has now gone. However, I was told this too when I visited Turkey, and a search on the Web suggests the idea is very common, usually tracing it from the Persian. Yet, since the article says the word is not Persian, the reference to this language may not count. According to the OED, the natives were indeed known for breeding horses. Myrvin (talk) 10:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Commercial
The media section of the article has a youtube link to a commercial. While it does nicely display some of the scenery (and Azra Akin!) it's almost certainly a copyrighted film. As such, we probably shouldn't be linking to an illegally uploaded file. If there aren't any reasoned objections, I'll trim the link out. Matt Deres (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I have removed the YouTube link. Matt Deres (talk) 01:48, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Mount Erciyes
There's a discrepancy between "Mount Erciyes 3916 m, the highest mountain in Cappadocia" and "Uçhisar Hill and Castle, the highest point in Cappadocia". One of these statements is wrong. I propose to remove the mountain, as I'm not sure it's actually within the province, but anyone with a more certain view please step in.--Old Moonraker (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed my mind: removed "highest point" instead. As before, oversight from more knowledgeable editor welcome.--Old Moonraker (talk) 06:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hattusa the capital, really ?
In the sidebox it reads that the historical capital was Hattusa. What is meant by historical capital ? Capadocia as a political entity was established long after (~ 600 years) Hattusa was completely destroyed. besides Hattusa was not a part of Capadocia. I'll try to call the editor. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:05, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed! Only took 18 months! Wikipedia!! john k (talk) 13:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Georgian name
What has Georgia to do with Cappadocia. Georgians never lived there in large numbers, or it wasn't under their control. So I don't see why we shoold keep it.--46.241.179.18 (talk) 07:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Needless. Modern Persian alternative name is also needless. Takabeg (talk) 08:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't get it, you haven't answer my question. If the georgian name should be mentioned, maybe I should add the Chinese one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.78.178.59 (talk) 08:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Kırşehir
Kırşehir is well within the boundaries of the cappadocia region. Someone removed it I think. Look at the Turkish wikipedia article and various maps of cappadocia on the internet. Otherwise you also shouldn't mention Aksaray, Nigde or even Kayseri. Just Nevsehir, since that province encompasses the main tourist attraction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.121.109.155 (talk) 12:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Removal of introduction sentence concerning 'Upper Cappadocia'
I made an to this page which was  by user Magnum5051 without giving a reason in the edit description. I asked the user to provide more information on the reason for the revert but I have received no reply after nine days.

I don't want to start an edit war. Instead I would like to build consensus for the change -- or at least see if there are any reasoned objections from other editors. To keep everything in one place, the sentence I removed is:

Since the late 300s BC the name Cappadocia came to be restricted to the inland province (sometimes called Great Cappadocia), Upper Cappadocia, which alone will be the focus of this article. Lower Cappadocia is focused to elsewhere.

And my justification for removing it, in the edit description, was:

Remove sentence about Upper/Lower Cappadocia. It is ungrammatical, lacks citations, invents terms that aren't used elsewhere and refers to content/pages that don't exist

Can anyone (including Magnum5051, hopefully you are reading this!) comment on whether and why they agree or disagree with removal of this sentence. If I don't hear anything for a while I will go ahead and reinstate my original edit.

If my suggested approach to resolving this matter is itself flawed, please let me know.

--Citruswinter (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * No reply from anyone after 17 days. I will reapply my original edit. Citruswinter (talk) 06:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Acts 2:5 & Galileans Speaking Language of Cappadocians
This is an erroneous reference. Acts 2:5 merely states, “Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.” In other words Jews from every nation had come to visit Jerusalem at that point. Acts 2:6-2:9 goes on to talk about the miracle of Pentecost, when the apostles were given the ability to “speak in tongues.” This is why it’s actually a surprise that people of all nations were able to understand the Galileans. Not because the Galilean language was the same language as “Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,” which is quite a disparate group of people to say the least (note, each group referenced in Acts 2:9 were Iranian speakers at the time). In fact, if anything, this should be evidence that Cappadocians didn’t naturally speak the same language of the Jews (which was, at that time, Aramaic and Koine Greek among the elite). MosesAlaca (talk) 06:33, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Etymology: “Gamirk’”
I would like to see a proper reference or example of Armenian sources calling Cappadocia “Gamirk” (Գամիրք). As far as I understand in Armenian and Aramaic sources, Gamir, the Land of the Cimmerians (in Arm. plural “Gamirk’”), was located around the Kuros river, to the north and north-west of Lake Sevan, and far from Cappadocia. MosesAlaca (talk) 06:54, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Abu Al Faraj quote
I've tracked down the quote from Abu Al Faraj, "Sivas, in Cappadocia, was dominated by the Armenians...", currently ref 24 (Schlumberger, Un Emperor byzantin au X siècle, Paris, Nicéphore Phocas, Paris, 1890, p. 251). The original is in French, but I don't think the current quotation (added here in 2007) is a faithful translation. More of a paraphrasing. The original ref source can be found at archive.org, it's a footnote spread across pages 250-251.

I propose to update the quotation on this page. It wasn't entirely straightforward to obtain a digital transcript of the text since the OCR of the book has some errors. So for the record here is the complete original text in French after I cleaned up the OCR transcription:

La guerre entre Byzantins et Sarrasins était en ce moment générale sur toute la ligne frontière d'Asie. Aboulfaradj cite, entre autres succès des Grecs, pour cette même année 962, l'incursion d'un millier d'hommes de pied arméniens sur le territoire d'Édesse. Ils emmenèrent mille moutons, cinq cents bœufs et dix prisonniers. « A cette époque heureuse pour les armes byzantines, ajoute Aboulfaradj, lorsque les Grecs dans leurs incursions dévastatrices pénétrèrent jusque sur le territoire de la Grande-Arménie (alors partiellement occupée par de nombreux dynastes musulmans), les Arméniens, qui étaient chrétiens, redoutant les représailles des Sarrasins, se réfugièrent en masse sur le territoire de l'empire. On leur attribua le district de Sébaste (aujourd'hui Siwas) de Cappadoce. Leur nombre s'accrut à tel point qu'ils devinrent de précieux auxiliaires pour les armées impériales. On les employa à tenir garnison dans les forteresses reconquises sur les Arabes (probablement Membedj, Dolouk, etc.). Ils formaient dans toutes les guerres une infanterie excellente pour les armées du Basileus, combattant constamment avec courage et succès aux côtés des Romains. » En 961, Davith, prince arménien de Taik, fut nommé curopalate byzantin, et Gourgen 1er succéda à son oncle David II en Ibérie. 1. La Samandou de Moténabbi et des historiens arabes.

Citruswinter (talk) 06:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)