Talk:Capture the flag

Computer games
Why does this have so little about computer games? There are tons of games that had/have CTF modes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.8.68.100 (talk) 10:09, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Misses 1978 Atari 2600 Flag capture game
The 1978 Atari 2600 flag capture game should be listed as one of the first computerized versions of the game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 34.254.119.221 (talk) 22:58, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I removed the following sentences from the FPS/CTF section:
 * Compared to deathmatch CTF often features some sort of transportation tool. It can be used to travel faster and to reach areas which the player wouldn't be able to reach without a transportation tool.

What does that mean? I'm picturing vehicles, teleports, jetpacks, rocketjumping, etc., but I don't see that those things are characteristic of CTF. --Mrwojo 22:22, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * The transportation tool is usually the size of a normal gun. You use it by firing a Transportation Module somewhere. When you want to use it to move, it brings you to whereever the TM is. In Unreal Tournament its called a translocator. L UDRAMAN | T 17:07, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Is the children's game simply a race to move the flag, or does each team have some mechanism (such as rugby tackles? :P) to hinder the opposition? Lupin 20:23, 23 May 2004 (UTC)


 * When we played, we divided the playfield into two areas, each with a flag and a jail. You could tag someone from the opposite team in your territory and escort them to Jail.  They could only be freed by a member of their own team (untagged) running through the jail area.  Sometimes we'd hide the jail as carefully as we hid the flag.  I accidentally edited the page before logging in. Jellyvista 03:04, May 24, 2004 (UTC)

Norwich Rules
The Norwich Rules don't make any sense. I have never herd of them and the explanation is too rushed to distill what this variation is. Could someone who understands this variation please help?
 * I think some kids in Norwich decided to play this way and then added to this page as a vanity. Notice the non-NPOV statement: "...making this game drastically better." mann mosenthal "capture the flag" gets nine hits on google that all look the same. I'm for deleting it, as I am going to do now. - Zepheus 23:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Added Rules For Capture the Flag
Added rules to the Urban gaming section of the site. A similar set should probably be added for the childres game. Including a Jail.
 * I have reverted the list of rules. WP:NOT a howto, nor an FAQ. The list, as it is, contains elements that violate the neutral point of view, and are not written in an encyclopedic way.--Drat (Talk) 06:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I understand that it is not written in an encylopedic way. However the framwork is there. Instead of deleteing how about helping me format it into a coherent set of rules! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shurafa (talk • contribs).
 * What I said still stands: Wikipedia is not an instruction manual. Also, the list is essentally original research. See the section Original research is prohibited on Wikipedia in Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day. In this case, put "your set of rules for some game" in place of "your new invention".--Drat (Talk) 05:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Every game has a rules section. Look at Basketball, Baseball even Ultimate Frisbee. Yet we do not have CTF rules. I am going to write them in encylopedic format as I believe they are a nescessary entry as part of the description of the sport. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shurafa (talk • contribs).
 * All of those have official rules of play, established or refined by official bodies. The rules you are adding are your own made up rules. Encyclopedically written or not, this is not acceptable on wikipedia, as it is called Original Research. You are creating new ideas, that haven't been published by a reputable source.--Drat (Talk) 05:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

There are tons of sites with with CTF rules tons of articles on it. There is precedent. Shurafa
 * Then cite those sources. Then you won't be doing Original Research. But only use reliable, verifiable ones, and preferably none of you own. Please also be careful not to overwrite parts of other people's messages.--Drat (Talk) 04:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I am new to this as you can tell. I will post sources and revisions when I get a chance. DO I post the source then the revision?Shurafa(Talk)
 * Unfortunately I've got to go out now. I won't be be back for a while. Have a look at Citing sources. Basically, what you can do is read a source, write the info in your own words, and at the end of the relevant piece of info, provide the citation. You only need to fully define a citation once. After that, you can cite it again by referring to the name established for that source. At the bottom of the page, above the external links (if there is such a section), make a references section. Take a look at Red vs Blue and its wikicode to see how it is all done.--Drat (Talk) 04:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

"Flags"
I was going to add something about the "flag" not necessarily being a "flag," as (when I have played the game) sports balls are often used for the teams' "flags" (such as tennis balls, due to their "neon" coloring). I didn't add this because I don't know if anyone else does this (I assume they do, actual flags seem somewhat elaborate if you are only playing with teams of two people), and I also didn't know where to fit it into the article. Since I am dubious of my wikijudgement at times, I'll let someone else add this if they think it deserves it, and if they can find a good place for it :D.

I know, I'm not "being bold" in my editing habits, but I'd rather leave it to someone who knows the rules better than I.

By the way, this is, by no means, a deference of "responsibility" to someone else; I'm not saying "this should be done, but I sure don't want to do it", I'm just trying to keep myself from messing things up and being flamed ^^;;

--KyleP 20:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I changed it to say "flag (or other marker)". I think you're right, it does warrant a mention. 81.159.7.186 01:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Proven Strategies for Victory section
I think this section has a lot of speculative phrasing / WP:OR. It probably needs a thorough cleaning up. Debivort 21:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's just some random person's strategies, and I've removed it as such.--Drat (Talk) 05:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

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Real-world game with weaponry
In Cambridge we have a group that plays CTF in real life, using weapons like supersoakers or thrown tennis balls. One hit kills, victory by either eliminating the other team, or getting both flags in your own base. I don't know if similar things are widespread enough to merit inclusion in the article. http://www.srcf.ucam.org/ctf (site's been inactive for a bit)131.111.245.195 (talk) 22:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Only if it's received coverage in reliable, independent sources.--Drat (Talk) 02:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Paintball Strategies
The paragraph immediately following the heading "Paintball Strategies" is very poorly written. It makes excessive use of the second person. It uses subjective reasoning and lacks a reliable source. It is even riddled with spelling and gramatical errors. It is also of note that the subheadings (location, jail, capturing the flag, variants) of "Paintball Strategies" seem to bear no relevance to that heading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.147.2 (talk) 19:24, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone have any WP:RS info on the history of CTF?
Clearly the game is old and traditional, but there's probably some history behind it, like there is with traditional nursery rhymes and similar. Has anyone ever read anything about this in a reliable source? --24.199.88.40 (talk) 07:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Help for the Italian Wiki Link
I don't know how to set the links with the modern way. Here's the link: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubabandiera --Olbia merda (talk) 12:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Origin?
Who invented it, and when? 99.247.1.157 (talk) 13:08, 15 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Most of these games are European exports. Settlers brought them to the U.S., Canada, Australia and other regions of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.214.229 (talk) 16:28, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * English descriptions of the game should have appeared much earlier, maybe under another name. Games like these have been translated already in the second half of the 19th century, mostly by members of the Turner movement in books about physical education. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.108.209.115 (talk) 15:36, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

"Tagged"
What is it? Kicked? Tackled? Spit on? Shot? Photographed? Tangverse (talk) 01:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Splitting proposal
I'm proposing that sections Capture_the_flag be split into a separate page called Capture the flag (cybersecurity). This type of competition, while it does share a name, is only loosely related to the rest of the article. Furthermore, this article is within the scope of WikiProject Sports. I don't think that a type of competition about cybersecurity can be classified as a sport or an esport as a sport is defined as "an activity involving physical exertion" and an esport is defined as "a multiplayer video game". Tom (talk) 17:19, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Support: Hey, that's a good idea! Make sure you post new sections on the bottom of the page, not the top, though  Rebestalic  [leave a message....]  04:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


 * My bad, I've moved it to the bottom now. Thanks for pointing it out! Tom (talk) 09:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I edited the section making the analogy more obvious. I'm neutral on the splitting proposal itself, the section was a bit in need and maybe still is. Arcturus4669 (talk) 22:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree, they are two different things. While they are both games, they are very different. RteeeeKed (talk) 00:15, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * But, conceptually they are the same. Just like there is a section about computer security in relation to jeopardy gaming, there should be a subsection on the computer security article about CTFs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.71.134 (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't even think they are conceptually that similar. Security CTFs can be single-player games where you capture the flag from a Jeopardy-style board, rather than human opponents. I side with splitting the articles.

Even though they are similar, CTFs in cybersecurity deserves an own article, there are lot of competitions that entire https://ctftime.org/ is based on cybersecurity based CTF. I think thats definitely a GOOD idea. No need of subsections or other type of subsection in any page. Just a new page.(Also, Many pages have same term for different aspects. In such case disambugation is needed. ) Machinexa (talk) 15:34, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Support. These are two very different types of competitions with different scopes, and per others, I believe the cybersecurity context should be extracted to its own article. Robotxlabs (talk) 18:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Support. These are separate enough subjects and a random section about the cybersecurity disambiguation in the middle of this article is seemingly not fit. I think we have a decent enough consensus on this. Mehrpw (talk) 10:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Support Electronic game should be separated like other computer games get own article. Eschoryii (talk) 06:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Support Per above. As there's pretty obvious consensus I think I'm going to be bold and split it. This is my first split so feel free to check my work. Shuri42 (talk) 19:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. The new article could still be improved, which I've done a little bit and plan to do more, but please feel free to add to it. Thanks! Shuri42 (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)