Talk:Carbonated water/Archive 1

Freezing and Boiling Point?
How does carbonation effect the freezing and boiling point of water? How should I figure this out?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.74.67.191 (talk) 19:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

Seltzer is...
In the US, seltzer is a generic term for carbonated water. It is distinguished from club soda by containing no salts whatever, though I don't know if bottlers always make that distinction. It is not a brand name, nor is it a registered trademark standing on its own (though there is a musical group trademarked as "Seltzer."

If Seltzer is a brand name in other countries, we could specify this, but the qualifier says US, and it isn't a brand in the US.


 * The article implies otherwise, suggesting only flavored carbonated water is seltzer, but I believe the above to be correct. --20:15, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)


 * The article is (was) wrong. Seltzer is unflavored and is a synonym of carbonated water and soda water. See http://web.foodnetwork.com/food/web/encyclopedia/termdetail/0,,1673,00.html
 * I have a bottles of seltzer water and of club soda from the Safeway brand. The seltzer is just carbonated water, the club soda has sodium citrate in it as well. The Ungovernable Force 03:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * What about the CO2 concentrations? Are they traditionally the same for the two waters? I can't tell by looking at the labels.

Bottled Seltzer
Besides being a staple of slapstick comedy, seltzer water is an icon of the early 20th century. Probably everyone has seen the bottles on TV or in movies, press the lever and out comes the water. Should this be mentioned here? I don't know much about them, but I have one that I could photograph for the article. --Elijah 20:15, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)
 * Yes, that would be a good addition. It is still possible to buy seltzer in those bottles in some locales (delivered only). It makes a better mixer (or egg cream) than the stuff in conventional soda bottles. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 07:29, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you photograph you or one of your friends taking a shot in the kisser? That would be a good addition to the slapstick section! Fresh seltzer lightly shaken should be sufficient. I don't know if any of the 3 Stooges films have fallen into the public domain. Ewlyahoocom 01:07, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
 * You could buy those bottles pre-filled and pre-pressurised from the soft-drink factory.  You could also buy capsules of compressed carbon dioxide which you be put into the bottle to make your own carbonated water.  Curiously this is not mentioned anywhere.Eregli bob (talk) 10:22, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Priestley
I've just added some info about Preistley which I was suprised to see missing from this article. I've only just now realised that an anon IP removed similar info in January. There may have been some confusion as the date previously given for Priestley's discovery was 30 years too late! Presumably why the anon IP removed this info as he didn't think it worth mentioning due to the later date. Jooler 13:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

William Brownrigg ?
An encyclopedia of invention that I have mentions William Brownrigg (England 1711(?)-1800) as the first to produce carbonated water, in 1741. It also refers Joseph Priestley's work as dated from 1792, not 1772 as the article currently states. A quick web search gave me no confirmation of this so, although this is not unusual for a 18th century subject, I decided not to include it in the article for now. Can anyone confirm this? --Nabla 23:10, 2005 May 9 (UTC) The external link at the article confirms the date of 1772... yet my question about William Brownrigg still stand. --Nabla 23:16, 2005 May 9 (UTC)

carbonic acid or carbon dioxide?
The article's introduction says:

Carbonated water (...) is water containing carbon dioxide, which bubbles out when the drink is depressurised.

Wouldn't it be better to say carbonated water contains both carbon dioxide and carbonic acid, with ladder breaking down to carbon dioxide?

--Abdull 09:22, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I've added a reference to the article on Carbonation which goes into more detail on the carbonic acid angle. I think that should be sufficient as anyone who's really interested will probably follow that link. Ewlyahoocom 01:11, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Healthy?
Is there a comment on whether Carbonated Water is healthy at all?

It would be very helpful if Carbonated Water's hydrating properties (or lack thereof) on the human body were cited in the article. -->Is Carbonated Water as good as tap water for hydrating the body? -->Would it be healthy to completely substitute carbonated water for regular water in the diet?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.79.74 (talk) 04:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Sparkling Water
i tink that we should include an little piece about how sparkling water is so tasty. he should include that it is much better than regulator water and it is very zingy and crazy delicous. my favorite sparkling water beverage is H2Oh! Original Sparkling Water Beverage

Yours truly, Sparkling Water Cup


 * Sorry, we can't include that, because it's just your point of view. I have a friend that hates carbonated water; he says it burns his throat. On the other hand, if you can find a specific notable person that has extolled the virtues of sparkling water in some publication, then by all means, add that. —Keenan Pepper 15:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Clarity concerning use for stain removal
Carbonated water is reputed to be good for removing stains, for example coffee stains from mugs, or stains from silver. It is said that red wine stains can be prevented from setting by sprinkling table salt on the stain and then applying liberal amounts of carbonated water. This has, however, been disproved by the MythBusters.

Is this saying that all of these uses are fictional, or just the one concerning red wine? -71.202.249.227 23:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Which episode of Mythbusters was it disproved on? A cursory search of the episode lists didn't turn up anything. I think it should be cited. The reason I'm curious is because I've used club soda and salt to get red wine stains out before.

Made with salt?
Right at the top of the intro, it says

In the past, soda water was produced in the home by "charging" a refillable seltzer bottle by filling it with water and then adding sodium cloride.

Can this possibly be accurate? Water with sodium chloride in it is just salt water. There's no CO2 outgassing at all - in fact there's no carbon. Wbster's says it's 'a weak solution of sodium bicarbonate with some acid added to cause effervescence' which sounds more likely.

Apolgies for the various newbie violations, but hopefully this can be cleared up and deleted soon.

80.177.75.21 01:18, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

changed the health effects slightly
big thank-you to whoever put in the health effects with the related links to the scientific studies.

i tried to simplify some of the terms used in the descriptions as i found them puzzling myself and wanted to make it as easy to understand as possible.

i hope the person who wrote this section thinks my additions are okay.y a

Seltzer or soda waters, How Healthy are they?
In recent years, America has seen the rise of the soda, with millions of gallons of soda consumed in the country each year. Many people drink multiple sodas each day and drink away hundreds of calories in the sodas alone. Newer studies are showing that some sodas that are filled with sugar and empty calories may be contributing to obesity in the nation, as well as other health problems as well. Some are beginning to recognize the dangers and change over to drinking seltzer and soda waters as alternative drinks to sodas.Hi you know that this can be edited rite?

Although many people are switching over to seltzer water drinks and flavored soda waters instead of drinking sodas, there are some who wonder whether or not the beverage choices are actually more healthy, or just a jazzed up version of the same old problem. Believe it or not, these new choices of seltzer water and soda waters actually are a great deal healthier than sodas. They actually are just regular water that has been carbonated and are usually just as healthy as drinking regular water, but with a bit more pizzazz and zip to them. They even top out diet sodas, since they are not filled with artificial sweeteners, which in some cases can be harmful.

If you want a drink with a bit more flavor than the plain seltzer waters, you may want to check out the flavored waters. Usually these waters are naturally flavored and do not contain sugar or artificial sweeteners and give water a whole new flavor. You can reap all the great health benefits of drinking your eight glasses of water daily, while enjoying great flavors, such as lemon, peach, strawberry, and even lime. What a great way to enjoy staying hydrated and healthy. You will want to make sure that you take a look at the labels of these types of water to make sure that there is not a great deal of sugar or sodium added along with the tasty flavor.

Another reason that these seltzer and soda waters can be a healthy choice is because some of them are now adding minerals and vitamins to them. While just drinking plain water is great for you, these new water products can help you get some of the extra nutrients that you may not be getting every day in your diet. While some may not have a significant amount of vitamins and minerals in them, every bit definitely helps when it comes to your health. Those who have low mineral deficiencies may be great candidates for drinking this type of water as well.

While many of the seltzer water and soda water choices are excellent and healthy drinks, there are some things that you may want to watch out for. There are some of these waters that may be adding in other ingredients. One thing you really need to watch out for is the sodium content. Some of these waters can have very high sodium contents in order to give them flavor. In this case, the seltzer or soda waters containing high sodium may actually dehydrate you instead of giving you the hydration that you need.

If you want to make seltzer water even more healthy for you, you may want to consider making your own mixtures. You can mix this carbonated water with various fruit juices to get a healthy drink, which is like a soda, to fill your “fizzy” craving. seltzer waters also make great additives with warm versions, like apple cider as well. Having a great tasting drink and a healthy drink no longer have to be different things. You can have a great tasting drink that is healthy for you as well, without drinking a great deal of empty calories that will add to your waistline.

All in all, more Americans should probably be making the switch to these seltzer and soda waters instead of drinking so much soda. While sodas tend to dehydrate you, these tasty waters can help you stay hydrated and will have you feeling much better as well. If you want a healthy alternative for you and even for your children, these drinks can be great choices.

Author: CD Harris SeltzerAndSoda.com

how much pressure?
soda water is under how much pressure of carbon dioxide?CorvetteZ51 16:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

"Hazards of pop bottles" citations?
The Hazards subsection under health effects has no citations or references and appears to be copied out of some non-Wikipedia article. Can someone check on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.238.6.1 (talk) 17:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

This is modified slightly from what I wrote on talk:Carbonation:
 * Looks like Edward Willhoft added this section sometime previously on the wrong page, got angry when it was removed, and pasted it directly into this article and the article on carbonation. I don't think its appropriate for inclusion on this page, an article about carbonated water -- not sodas or carbonated beverage containers.  I think we should remove it or at least find a better place for it.  Objections?  Jhamon 19:01, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Gone. -adavidw 06:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Industry
Could do with a section on the fizzy water industry - Perrier, San Pellegrino and the like are big businesses. That could then lead on to some discussion of the hazards like the benzene scare and so on FlagSteward 13:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Environmental Impact of Soda

It takes at least 3 liters of water to produce your one liter plastic water bottle. 1.5 million barrels of oil are used to make plastic bottles each year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.250.103 (talk) 17:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Club soda - The name
Can anyone write up something abou the naming? Ğavin Ťing  18:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Sodium bicarbonate
From http://www.recipe4all.com/ingredient/soda/

"Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3), or sodium hydrogen carbonate, also known as baking soda and bicarbonate of soda, is a soluble white anhydrous or crystalline compound, with a slight alkaline taste resembling that of sodium carbonate. It is found in many mineral springs and also produced artificially.

"It is used in combination with acidic compounds as a leavening agent in baking: some forms of baking powder contain sodium bicarbonate. Formerly, it was used as a source of carbon dioxide for soda water."

My understanding has always been that 'soda water' is produced as per above which results in the slightly salty flavor. This differs from 'carbonated water' which is produced from CO2 which does not have this flavor present. The article should make this distinction clear - in fact it should not redirect 'soda water' to this article but remain a separate article as it used to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreas Toth (talk • contribs) 07:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

The article is wrong
There is a difference between seltzer water and sparkling water. Just today my doctor advised me to drink seltzer water because it has quinine. I told her I drink sparkling water, and she didn't say "they're the same", she repeated to drink seltzer water. I wish I knew all the little differences, so I could just correct the article, but I'm sure that the differences I know about are just the tip of the iceberg. Please take down the general article on carbonated water and separate out the different types of fizzy water. Thanks. 20.137.18.50 (talk) 15:21, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * It sounds like what you want is "tonic water" or "quinine water", as opposed to "seltzer water". I've tasted tonic water and it had a slight bitter taste. I don't know if you can find it in a regular grocery store, but I imagine any liquor store would stock it for the "gin and tonic" drinkers.

Tonics are definitely available through regular grocery stores. Examples are Schweppes drinks, Evervess and the like. Not sure if Evervess is marketed in the USA, though. 194.85.148.66 (talk) 13:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Seltzer v. carbonated water
What is the difference? Both are sold. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Carbonated water should be merged with Flavored water
Would it be possible to merge the two topics to one another? UWEC/173.26.80.178 (talk) 01:55, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * - Eh? Carbonation isn't a flavour, and I imagine there are flavoured waters that aren't carbonated. So I don't get it. Hairhorn (talk) 23:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * But I do suggest a merge with soda water. 72.244.207.30 (talk) 04:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

"Carbonated water" vs. "club soda"
"Club soda" is mentioned twice in the article. I was under the impression that club soda contains minerals whereas "carbonated water" is just carbonated water. At least in a Boston super market, that is correct. "Sparkling water" is just carbonated water whereas at least one brand of "club soda" is carbonated water containing potassium bicarbonate and potassium citrate. I have always thought this was universal. If so, this page should mention that. In particular, I've heard of club soda works as a stain remover because of those ingredients (although a quick Google search suggests there's no consensus on this). —Ben FrantzDale (talk) 12:21, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Club soda can contain something other than carbonated water, but it needn't to be referred to as "club soda". I buy several brands of club soda, one of them is only carbonated water. The OED also agrees that club soda doesn't require minerals. Hairhorn (talk) 18:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

"Club Soda" is a trademark owned by Cantrell & Cochrane Ltd. of Belfast, Northern Ireland
This applies, if at all, only in the UK. The sources are frankly not that clear. Hairhorn (talk) 21:14, 11 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It would apply in every country where trademark law is respected. Of course, there may be a few where it's not.Wahrmund (talk) 03:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)


 * A 19th century Belfast trademark does not automatically apply worldwide. The sources here are not clear... there's a trademark from the 19th century, and a legal decision about a company that wanted to use the term "Soda Club" in the UK. My local grocery store has several generic brands of carbonated water, all called "Club Soda". There are also corporate versions. If this is a trademark, it's not being protected, at least where I live. This needs a good third party source, neither of the sources given qualifies. Hairhorn (talk) 03:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Update: The US Patent Office lists the Cantrell & Cochrane trademark as "dead", and last renewed in 1966. Until a good third party source turns up, this looks pretty conclusive to me, at least as far as the status outside of the UK is concerned. Hairhorn (talk) 04:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the bad link, the USPTO doesn't seem to provide direct url links for trademarks; go here and search for "Club Soda". Hairhorn (talk) 23:39, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: According to the OED entry on "club soda" the UK patent is from 1877. There's no way such an old patent could still be alive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.126.240.108 (talk) 08:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

chronic consumption/kidney issues
I removed the following claim: "Chronic excessive consumption is associated with recurrent nephrolithiasis (kidney stones)", but my edit summary was not entirely accurate. This was a study both of "colas" (with sugar and with artificial sweeteners) and "noncola carbonated beverages". The study conclued that "non-cola carbonated beverages were not associated with chronic kidney disease". So the study actually contradicts the claim attributed to it. It's consumption of "colas" that are associated with kidney problems, this gets blamed on phosphoric acid which is not present in carbonated water. Just want to protect my habit, you had me worried for a second, Hairhorn (talk) 23:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Uncited (and incorrect section)
This one part, "The phosphoric acid present in many soft drinks is what reduces bone density and increases bone fracture risk," is not cited. As well, there is contradictory information on the phosphoric acid page (Biological effects on bone calcium) that links to this study in the health section: Barger-Lux M.J., Heaney R.P. and Stegman M.R. (1990). "Effects of moderate caffeine intake on the calcium economy of premenopausal women [published erratum appears in Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1991

I'm not comfortable with wiki editing for public consumption so I'll leave this here for someone who cares to fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.73.208.198 (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Merge with "Carbonic Acid"
Carbonic Acid and Carbonated water are so similar that why don't we merge "Carbonated water" and "Carbonic Acid" Together? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.224.179 (talk) 00:44, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * They're not precisely the same, and the two entires are very different, so a merge is probably not called for. Note that there are also separate entries for vinegar and acetic acid. Hairhorn (talk) 02:43, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

OK.NOW I got it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.224.179 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"US-Centric"
This is quite US-Centric, it would be helpful if editors with information from elsewhere could contribute? Markb (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I've recently come across Thwaites' Soda Water, which was founded in Dublin in 1799. This reprinted London Globe article claims that this company were the first to patent and sell "Soda Water" under that name. The Thwaites' brand became "esteemed" around Ireland as this advert from the Limerick Gazette (29th March 1811) shows https://twitter.com/Limerick1912/status/244037370972872704/photo/1/large — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huxley10 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

--Huxley10 (talk) 12:23, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Anti-Semetism?
I am personally (as a Jew) a bit concerned with the section on seltzer water and Jews ("Seltzer and Jewish-Americans"). It was interesting (in that I'd never really thought about it). But, the term "Jewish Champagne" is border-line deragatory and must be used carefully. (When I looked at the original use of the term, in the cited Atlantic article, it is used more neutrally than here.) Also, this sentence is WHOLLY UNSUPPORTED (i.e., does NOT come from the Atlantic article): "Anecdotally, significant portions of Jewish-Americans are believed to posses large quantities of seltzer in their homes, generally purchased from Cosco or other large wholesale stores." (And, also, as an American Jew, I don't know ANYONE who buys seltzer water -- from "Cosco" or anywhere else, for that matter! As "ancedotablly" correct as the opposite assertion made in this article!) At any rate, I'll bookmark this article and watch to see if anything comes from my comment. I will also check several Jewish cook books and food-related books I own to see if more substantiated info can be added. Otherwise, I will remove the "offending" sentences from this para. in a few weeks. Thanks! Cynthisa (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

"Seltzer and Jewish-Americans Carbonated water, generally referred to as seltzer, has long been a staple of the Ashkenazi Jewish-American diet since their widespread immigration from Eastern Europe and Russia to the United States that peaked in the 1920's. Anecdotally, significant portions of Jewish-Americans are believed to posses large quantities of seltzer in their homes, generally purchased from Cosco or other large wholesale stores. It is customarily placed on the dinner table at family gatherings. Seltzer is so commonplace in Jewish home that it is often referred to as "Jewish Champagne."[10] There is a fervent debate among cultural anthropologists about the origin and persistance of the Jewish love of seltzer. To date, no argument has proved conclusive."
 * I think the whole section is inappropriate, so I have simply removed it. Deli nk (talk) 21:38, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced this is antisemetic, but it wildly misrepresents what's actually stated in the Atlantic article given as a reference (where the term "the Jewish Champagne" is attributed to a by-gone era, not the present). So outright deletion is the best option for now. Hairhorn (talk) 21:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Health effects
I feel like this section could be improved.

'Intake of carbonated beverages has not been associated with increased bone fracture risk in observational studies. The effect of carbonated beverages on the amount of calcium in the body is negligible.'

Does this even need to be here? There's probably a plethora of health problems carbonated beverages do not cause, are we going to list them all? Why is this here

One study states that consumers of carbonated water prepared at home had significantly higher mean drinking water intake (tap + bottled + carbonated water) in percentage of total water intake than non-consumers, and lower mean intakes of milk, bottled water and tap water, respectively.

Is this actually a health benefit? A higher % of consumers water-intake is "drinking water", what does that even mean? If someone has a % of water intake that is not "drinking water" then clearly they are going to be having some health issues occur, but I don't see how that context is being used as a "health benefit" of carbonated water.

I propose both items be removed. Jozsefs (talk) 11:02, 27 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I just looked over the whole Health effects section, and it gives me an uneasy feeling. There are primary sources, and the conclusions are often possibilities rather than concrete statements. Some statements just leave me wondering -- does it matter that carbonated water increases blood alcohol faster? CNN is not my source for health news, but http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/expert.q.a/05/06/carbonated.water.jampolis/ seems to be level-headed and makes the statement that CW has little impact. Colas (not CW) is the real risk for teeth. Increased gas in the stomach is problem for IBS.
 * I'd just remove the whole section.
 * Glrx (talk) 20:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't remove the whole section, since this question obviously is interesting to people. To address reader's concerns, we should write that CO2 does normally not constitute any problem, except for people with IBS. The CNN reference you bring up is good for this purpose. I won't object to removing the other highly specific bits of information, for some of which there has been link rot, anyway (at least for the Bastyr link). The Korean study is quite interesting in that it claims significant effects, so I have a slight preference for keeping it, but if/when it turns out to be accepted knowledge we should be able to find secondary sources instead. &mdash; Sebastian 22:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I made a stab; if you don't like it, feel free to revert me. Glrx (talk) 21:33, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Renasissance?
This is carbonated water, not Europe. Maybe the word could be used like this but I feel it's inappropriate for the topic and doesn't really work. 75.174.202.209 (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

What about non-hardware carbonation?
When I was a kid we had Fizzies (or some such trade name) that were large pills dropped into water that started to fizz (carbonate I assume). There was an upset-stomach pill too called Alka‑Seltzer that fizzes. Is there nothing like it now? I see an ad for "Fizzies Candy Drink Tablets" but it says the product is no longer made and is out of date "Use By". Would this not belong to History and maybe its own paragraph? Garylcamp (talk) 18:11, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

A medical use
Carbonated water is excellent, better than albendazole or any pharmaceutical out there, at eliminating parasitic worms from the gastrointestinal tract. Worms, like fish, require oxygenated water to breathe. Carbonated water is not oxygenated. Put them in carbonated water and they suffocate and die. You do need lots of it though but it works very well.

This idea is deemed obvious and not subject to patent protection.

Que the FDA trying to find ways to restrict or ban it by trying to regulate it as a drug or claiming it can be dangerous or whatever. Because anything that can serve a medical purpose is automatically subject to the FDA's political tyranny.

Also, here is an experiment suggesting that store bought carbonated water paralyzes worms for as long as they are immersed in it.

"All worms, including controls, were anesthetized with a carbon dioxide solution (store-bought carbon-ated water)"

Source (book):

Developments in Hydro-Biology

Aquatic Oligochaetes

Page 246

edited by Brenda M. Healy, Trefor B. Reynoldson, Kathryn A Coates

1999 Kluwer Academic Publishers

(found via Google Books)

Though they recovered after being placed in regular water, if you can expose them to carbonated water for long enough for your body to rid them then it can help rid them.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:36D9:9F0:D43A:A35C:C150:BA00 (talk) 00:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ I added this to the article. --David Hedlund (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)


 * This source only states that a certain species of worm can be temporarily anesthetized using carbonated water. There is absolutely nothing in that source to substantiate the claim that this helps the body subsequently combat them in any way. Unless someone can find additional substantiating documentation that actually supports this claim, I propose the entire Anti-Parasitic subsection be removed. &#124;&#124;bass (talk) 01:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

This is absurd. By the time the carbonated water hits the stomach, it has already lost virtually all the carbonation. This is why you are compelled to issue a large belch just after a big gulp of fizzy. Water has to be cold in order to hold CO2; it becomes warm during its trip down the oesophagus. The idea that you can suffocate your pet worms in this way is ludicrous. Freddy011 (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Home Soda Syphons
The section had been edited to say that the reason for home-carbonated water made in a seltzer bottle being less carbonated than commercial product is because (1) the water is not as cooled in a home refrigerator as in a commercial plant, and (2) the gas pressure is not as high as in the commercial product. Neither of these assumptions is correct. (1): A domestic refrigerator can be 0-4 degrees C; any colder and it would freeze. (2): Try opening a charged seltzer bottle; you will find no shortage of gas pressure. The carbonation difference is accountable by the fact that there necessarily has to be some air space left inside the bottle when it is filled with water, in order to accommodate the gas charge. Unless someone has figured out a way to compress water. As a result, the bottle contains a mixture of CO2 and air. This can only compromise the carbonation. But the result is still quite acceptable. Freddy011 (talk) 03:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I had to revert your change because it had several problems. Please try again but focus on one section at a time. Johnuniq (talk) 09:52, 13 March 2018 (UTC)