Talk:Carcass (band)/Archive 1

Untitled
Wasn't Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment the mythical demo with Sanjiv? - Dysfunktion 21:53, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * No Spearhead 18:41, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I have the demo on MP3, and from what i read Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment has sanjiv on it. Darksteel 16:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


 * They're not. Jerr


 * True, though I'm sure that's particularly relevant for the article... so many metal bands have recorded anti-Christian tracks that it's almost par for the course. They're certainly not Satanic though! Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Melidic Death???
I really argue about considering two latest albums as melodic death. I find it more close to thrash, a huge parallel with Kreator's Coma Of Souls and Megadeth! (Nitrofest 15:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC))

I agree; Swansong undeniably thrash, and Heartwork somewhere inbetween. I feel Necroticism is more melodic death than any later albums. With the thrashy influences included, it could all *almost* be categorized under Grindcore, thought that wouldn't be very specific, but thats what album specific genres are for... Then again, the 'core' part ... Doesn't seen right to me. - LedTony 12:07, 14 Jan 2007 (GMT .. i think)

Heartwork is most definitely a Melodic Death Metal album, 100%. It practically defined the genre. Docbp87 23:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Swansong is thrash, in my opinion, and Heartwork Melodic Death. 190.49.151.18 22:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Gabriel190.49.151.18 22:08, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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Necroticism song titles
My friend asked me to paste the following comments, as he doesn't want his IP address plastered on the internet: "I've been wondering for a while about the Incarnate{d} Solvent Abuse and Corpor{e}al Jigsore Quandary issue, and I just noticed ...Lysergide Compos{i}tion - and got very annoyed, it seems so obvious now... anyway, I really want to see some reliable sources from the band or something bout the correct names of the songs. Cheers if you can help, I'll keep checking up on this page" Iaberis 12:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Many grammar/syntax errors
Who wrote this? It is rife with syntax and usage errors--"uncapable in his actual state"--What? "on" festival shows? It's not possible to play "on" "festival shows". I'm guessing a non-native English speaker wrote much of this (possibly Slavic, judging from the "actual" and "on festival shows").Sladek 20:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

wacken
carcass will be at wacken in 275 days everyone said it was never going to happen but look now it did it is it will

letter

--65.122.47.164 17:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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DisAttack and Sanjiv
would it be worth mentioning that the Drop A Bomb... Demo was recorded as DisAttack with the only member we would recognize being Bill Steer?

Also is there any evidence of who Sanjiv is? On the DisAttack stuff the vocalist was Pek. (Dmon) 31 March 2008

why does nobdy think sanjiv was real? he was when i saw them around that time, and if you look close at the disattack demo youll see sanjiv has a credit along with other friends.....pek left ,sanjiv took over then left himself. by the way pek died yesterday 7th oct 2010(R.I.P)

New Album

 * Jeff stated that they wouldn't be making a new album. I can try and dig out a source if you like? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 17:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

About this article's introduction...

 * "Carcass are a British band formed by Napalm Death guitarist Bill Steer together with drummer Ken Owen in 1985".

Bill Steer was in Carcass before he was invited to join Napalm Death, and he only played with ND for a couple of years. Carcass has always been Steer's main band. I think the Napalm Death information should featured on the "History" section, not on this article's introduction. It gives too much emphasis on ND (not that they don't deserve it).


 * "They are based in Liverpool. In 1987, bassist and vocalist Jeff Walker, formerly of the Electro Hippies, joined them, who grew up in the North East of England."

Too much information. Should be put on the "History" section. The "based in Liverpool", though, could be re-written for the intro.

Some tidbit of them being #8 best-selling death metal band in the United States could be added. According to a November 17th 2003 Soundscan report, they've sold 220,734 copies so far in the US.

Musicaindustrial (talk) 19:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Carcass Clones
Another section could be included presenting an interesting phenomena - Carcass clones. Musicaindustrial (talk) 19:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, go for it. I'd stick it under an 'Influence' section, and maybe include stuff like the influence of Heartwork on melodic death metal and the like. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I've found another - Wes Borland (ex-guitar player for Limp Bizkit) is a Carcass fan.


 * Here's the references for this bit of information:
 * Appleford, Steve (1998). The family that plays together. Guitar, 15(12): 40-42, 45-46, 49-50, 53-54, 57.
 * Appleford 1998, page 54.


 * Musicaindustrial (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * According to to the AOL Music site, Slipknot is also influenced by Carcass.


 * And another weird one - Cronos of Venom loves Symphonies of Sickness.


 * Musicaindustrial (talk) 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Blabbermouth
Some interesting news items which could strengthen the article's present biography:


 * CARCASS Frontman To Guest On New CYPHER Album (April 24, 2008):.


 * CARCASS Confirmed For Slovenia's METALCAMP Festival (April 17, 2008):.


 * CARCASS: Guitarist MICHAEL AMOTT Checks In From Reunion Rehearsals (April 7, 2008):.


 * CARCASS Unveils Trailer For 'The Pathologist's Report' (February 25, 2008):.


 * Reunited CARCASS Confirmed For Italy's GODS OF METAL Festival (December 4, 2007):.


 * Ex-CARCASS Frontman JEFF WALKER: New Video Interview Available (August 1, 2007):.


 * Former CARCASS Frontman Rejects Reunion Rumors (June 22, 2005):.

Musicaindustrial (talk) 15:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Check out the reunion section of this article.
I am posting here to talk about the section below.

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Carcass Reunion Tour Dates:


 * June 6th - Sweden Rock Festival, Sölvesborg, Sweden
 * June 20th - Hellfest Summer Open Air, Clisson, France
 * June 27th - Tuska Open Air Metal Festival, Helsinki, Finland
 * June 28th - Gods Of Metal Festival, Bologna, Italy
 * July 4th - Metalcamp, Tolmin, Slovenia
 * July 9th - Rockwave festival, Athens, Greece
 * August 2nd - Wacken Open Air, Wacken, Germany
 * August 16th - Brutal Assault Open Air Festival, Jaromer, Czech republic
 * August 29th - Hole In The Sky Festival, Bergen, Norway
 * August 30th - Loud From The South Festival, Bakel, The Netherlands
 * September 26th - Mooi River.,South Africa

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I don't think posting the tour dates on wikipedia is very encyclopedia. Since the aim of wikipedia is to be encyclopedic, I don't think posting the tour dates is going to help that. Someone respond to me about this please. Thanks. B T C 03:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. Maybe a couple of these (the most important) festivals could be cited, just in case. Musicaindustrial (talk) 10:59, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that's cool. Yeah, I'll probably work on that, since you agree with me. Thanks for agreeing with me. B T C 02:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Splatter death metal
splatter death metal sounds like possible vandalism, sa I've never heard this before and there is no source. Is this something that everyone else knows about?JackorKnave (talk) 22:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I have the source for this "splatter death metal" thing. I'll probably post this week... maybe no later than Wednesday. Musicaindustrial (talk) 13:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool cool, can't argue with that.JackorKnave (talk) 22:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Red Dwarf
I've read that two members of the band were in a Red Dwarf episode. True? 81.158.1.233 (talk) 01:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Bill Steer and Jeff Walker appear in the episode "Timeslides", albeit uncredited. Not really notable enough for the article though. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

the babd in the episode was called "smeg and the heads" and the song was called "the ohm song" jeff on drums, bill on bass and whoever was playing the young lister on vocals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.250.8 (talk) 17:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Actual Touring
Should it be noted that Carcass has been touring recently with bands such as Iron Maiden? 201.172.183.190 (talk) 00:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Discrepancies between biography and member listings
Am I the only who has noticed and is bothered by the discrepancies between the band's bio section and the member listings? I'm going to do some research and try and resolve that. Colinclarksmith (talk) 18:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Friends
I just read in the edit section that the season 7 episode in which Carcass are mentioned should not be added unless there is a link that proves it's this band that is being refered to. I've tried finding other heavy metal bands with the same name but different spelling, and none appears to exist. Can we safely conclude that this is indeed the band refered to? (Friends season 7 episode 17 "The one with the cheap wedding dress") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.224.2.151 (talk) 10:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not unless there's a source mentioning it. Otherwise it's just original research (for all we know, the writers of the show made up a band name, that just happened to be a real band). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 01:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

FROM IMDB Meagan Bailey: [after having exchanged information with Monica about their wedding dates and photographer] Oh, who's your band? Monica Geller: My fiancé wants the Swing Kings. Meagan Bailey: Oh, you're so lucky. My fiancé wants the heavy metal band, Carcass. Phoebe Buffay: [excitedly] Oh, is that spelled with a "C" or a "K"? Oh my god, it doesn't matter, they're both great!

Phoebe Buffay: [somebody has just called Monica, told her something shocking and has then cut her off before she has had the chance to respond. Phoebe can't fathom what has happened.] Wh-what? Monica Geller: That was that girl Megan. She booked the Swing Kings on the day of our wedding and said I couldn't have them back unless I gave her the dress! Phoebe Buffay: [shocked] Ooh! [then excitedly] Phoebe Buffay: Does that mean Carcass is available? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.250.8 (talk) 18:07, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * None of that proves that they were talking about this band. Also, IMDB is hardly a reliable source. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

pathologic ep
The "Pathologic" 7" EP is a bootleg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.154.65 (talk) 20:36, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * So it is. Thanks for the heads up! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:54, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Looking for sources for the following information
I have been in contact with Bill Steer, who made some edits to this article, which were then reverted as "unsourced" (by myself and others). He wanted me to see if we could incorporate the following information into the article. Now, since there is no proof that I talked to him, and email conversations are hardly reliable sources, obviously I'm not going to just try to force this information into the article. But I'm hoping one or more editors who edit this article might have old interviews, news articles, magazine articles, or other reliable sources that might confirm some of this information. I'll post that info here, and if anyone can support any of it with a reliable source, please add to/change the article and include that source. Hopefully we can get this article as correct as possible! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 23:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)


 * "Carcass are a British extreme metal band from Liverpool".
 * We have repeatedly tried to alter this. It probably doesn't sound like a big deal to an outsider, but not one of us was born in Liverpool and the band wasn't based there either. We formed, rehearsed and wrote the vast majority of our material in the Wirral, an area of small towns on the other side of the River Mersey. That's where Ken and myself spent our teenage years. Neither of us was born anywhere near Liverpool either, in case you were wondering. Ken came to life in Billinge, I started off further north in County Durham. Jeff was born and raised in St Helens. So one could certainly say "Merseyside", but not Liverpool. Any true Liverpudlian would scoff at a person from the Wirral trying to pass themselves off as a scouser.


 * "Carcass was formed as a D-beat band by guitarist Bill Steer together with drummer Ken Owen in 1985 under the name Disattack".
 * There are so many things wrong with this statement, it's hard to know where to begin. Firstly, the phrase "D-beat" did not exist in the 1980s. That appears to be an Americanism which we only began to hear recently, and to this day I'm not even sure what it means. Certainly nobody in our peer group ever used this term in the '80s or '90s. Secondly, Ken did not play drums in 1985. He didn't even own a drum kit. Carcass began as a band featuring four school friends - Ken Owen, Chris Gardner, Dave Mottershead and myself. At this stage Ken was the vocalist, Chris played bass and Dave handled drums. There is a crude rehearsal tape that can be found somewhere online from this period, and the beginning of one of the songs was later re-worked as "1985", the opener on "Surgical Steel". And lastly, this band had nothing to do with Disattack. That was a hardcore punk band comprised of older lads from neighbouring towns in the Wirral. They asked me to join some time after the initial line-up of Carcass had disintegrated. Once Disattack folded and Jeff became involved, we began a new version of Carcass.


 * Re Necroticism: "...with Amott only contributing leads and one riff".
 * Yes, I did record all the rhythm parts on the album, and just to be clear, solos were split roughly fifty-fifty between the pair of us. But his contribution to the writing was more than one riff. Most of the music on "Incarnate" came from him, bar just a couple of sections that I added. And there is a section of "Corporal" that was his too. I realise there are some people out there keen to correct the common assumption (at least among Arch Enemy fans) that Michael was "the main man" in Carcass, and that's very much appreciated by Jeff and myself. But let's not go to the other extreme and deny what he did contribute to the band.


 * Re Heartwork: "...Amott losing his passport in India".
 * Not really an important one, but that was Israel.


 * Re Swansong and the lack of multi-tracked guitars.
 * "This has since been put down to Bill Steer's unwillingness to perform the time-consuming guitar layering...through losing interest in the Metal genre". A somewhat misleading statement, as essentially we'd agreed between the five of us (the band members and Colin) that having two rhythm guitars, one in each channel, instead of the usual stack of four would suit the material we'd written on this occasion. It was also something of an attempt to distance ourselves from the increasingly large pack of Metal bands that were now tuning low and stacking guitars in a fairly uniform fashion. Given Colin's painstaking approach to detail, this stripped-down approach became a fairly time-consuming task all the same. It took a few days to achieve a guitar tone that Colin was happy with before we could even begin recording. Regarding my alleged loss of interest in the Metal genre, perhaps we should put that statement in perspective. I was listening to a lot of Johnny Winter and AC/DC at this time (as I still do), but in all honesty, the only aspect of the Metal genre I'd truly lost interest in was the contemporary scene. Even a casual listen to "Swansong" would indicate that I was still playing riffs that were very much in the broad-based Metal style. And at the risk of sounding pedantic, I was still tuning to low B and using a distorted guitar tone. In short, at the time we recorded this album, I hadn't lost interest in playing Metal.


 * Re Bjork/Isobel.
 * This was Jeff's baby. I played a few segments, just muted powerchord chugging. Carlo played the remainder, specifically the single note harmony stuff.


 * Demise.
 * I quit the band in mid-1995, and after a little deliberation, the others decided to continue under the name of Black Star.

UK Album Chart Positions
The listed UK chart positions on the discography page are widely inaccurate. It states Carcass have four Top 10 albums with another at Number 11.

The OCC lists an album as peaking at 67 whereas the page says 7. OCC only list three albums charting, none higher than 47. 92.28.226.157 (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you provide the source for this information? If it can be verified, then it can be changed. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Mobile page sections
in the mobile version, discography doesn't show as a section. Emilpop (talk) 13:12, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Carcass early years
This "Pek went to India and came back as Sanjiv" information is most likely bogus and should be reverted, they are two different persons.

Although this is not official source, but see discussion here: http://7inchcrust.blogspot.fi/2008/02/carcass-power-of-blood-7.html

Quote: "Basically what you've wrote there is a load of crap Pek & Sanjiv are two seperate people! Pek never was in Carcass to my knowlage. Sanjiv just got into rap & didnt listen to Hardcore (not seen him since about 1990) Pek you can find on myspace if you look hard enough. He's from Birkenhead England not finland. Something tells me he never went to India as he never had a job for years he was unemployable!!"

Also, the Disattack demo tape has Pek on vocals and Sanjiv mentioned on "thank you" listing, which suggest that they are not the same person. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jiBnp6YtN6M/VnWi2pSQZQI/AAAAAAAAPxw/-5vU0ffJy0k/s1600/Disattack%2BA%2BBomb%2BDrops.jpg

Cheers! (BabylonAstronaut (talk) 10:19, 24 March 2016 (UTC))


 * The problem here is sourcing. Although I take your point about the demo tape - although that is WP:PRIMARY. The first link to the blog post is contradictory throughout. I agree the section needs to be looked at again and the vague aspects cleared up in such a way that the above issues are addressed. Perhaps others can weigh in here? Karst (talk) 13:09, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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