Talk:Cardboard

Material on this page was initially developed at Talk:Cardboard. Complete edit history can be found there. bd2412 T 02:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Weak beginings
Is this article needed at all? A cardboard Disambiguation Page should handle the subject well. If we must have an article, this one needs help. For a start, I have taken some wording from the cardboard page a year ago and have inserted it. It is better than the present. Pkgx (talk) 18:41, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not see how the removal of large amounts of information from the page is helping the article. A disambiguation page is useless for a genera encompassing species, as in this case. There are many instances where articles use "cardboard" in the generic sense of a paper product, not specific to any of the particular later developments of formal categories. This article needs to address that generic sense of what "cardboard" covers in terms of paper products, and how it has developed historically (something utterly neglected by most of the articles on types of cardboard). bd2412  T 18:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested moves

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: both moved. Ixfd64 (talk) 17:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

– Clear primary topic of the term. The band is distinctly named ("The Cardboards"), and is both little-known and defunct. The graphic novel doesn't even have an article. The type of record is a WP:Partial title match. The tree has a variety of other names, and "ilomba" seems to be far more commonly used (a search for "cardboard tree" returns mostly hits for toy trees made from cardboard, not the species listed here). I have been fixing incoming links to the disambiguation page for three years now, and I don't think I have ever seen one intended for anything other than the paper product. If this page is moved as proposed, I will also propose to merge cardboard box into it, which has much additional information and a number of additional references. Cheers! bd2412 T 22:09, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Cardboard (paper product) → Cardboard
 * Cardboard → Cardboard (disambiguation)
 * Yes, Cardboard (paper product) may be renamed Cardboard. But no, cardboard box is different and separate. Many types of "cardboard" have nothing to do with boxes. Pkgx (talk) 23:52, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * True, but all cardboard boxes are made of cardboard. What other distinction is there? bd2412  T 00:29, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. The main issue here isn't with the band, record, novel or tree, which can certainly be covered by an otheruses template. No, the problem is the gulf between the everyday common use of the word by the public and the terminology used by industry professionals. The article history of the generic cardboard article, which started 27 August 2002, didn't even mention the term fiberboard. An article fork Corrugated board was started 27 July 2004. Both say "it" originated in China, but they vary by centuries as to when. On August 4, 2004, the fork was "merged" into the original cardboard article, but I don't see much evidence of copying the so-called merged content into the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corrugated_fiberboard&diff=4990147&oldid=4990140. merged version] (no mention of the humble wasp). Neither was sourced. Then [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corrugated_fiberboard&diff=112348716&oldid=111676111 on 3 March 2007], cardboard was moved to Corrugated Fiberboard (Cardboard) because "Cardboard is a non-specific term not used in industry.", but the same day this was corrected to Corrugated fiberboard to fix the capitalization and remove unneeded disambiguation. Of course now that the title wasn't cardboard anymore the work could begin to remove all mentions of that layperson's term. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corrugated_fiberboard&diff=140552546&oldid=140175221 On 25 June 2007], an attempt was made to "move back to general name over redirect, will change article to note general popularized name with reference to full technical name", but this was quickly reverted to "correct terminology" as " 'cardboard' is a meaningless term". It seems these editors didn't know a controversial move when they saw one. From that point on, cardboard was relegated to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cardboard&diff=140754078&oldid=140742043 this], a WP:DABCONCEPT article for a while. But, ultimately, even that was not acceptable, and [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cardboard&diff=356038677&oldid=355893663 on 14 April 2010] it became a full-blown disambiguation, even though the band, record, novel and tree had yet to arrive on the scene. Hey, that's a lot of action, but Where's the drama and debate! Oh my, it seems I missed some of the action, as [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cardboard_%28disambiguation%29&diff=140551876&oldid=140117189 back on 25 June 2007], Cardboard moved to Cardboard (disambiguation). Sorry, I've lost track of who's on first base. But now I understand why it was necessary to create the ridiculous title Cardboard (paper product). Hey, chew on this [//books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cardboard%2Ccard+stock%2Cpaperboard%2Ccorrugated+fiberboard&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ccardboard%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccard%20stock%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cpaperboard%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccorrugated%20fiberboard%3B%2Cc0 Ngram]. So why isn't the "ambiguous term" planet a disambiguation page? And why can't I find Jupiter, Saturn and Mars on Planet (disambiguation)? Someone needs to understand broad concept articles and WP:Summary style. Of course I support this, and a summary of cardboard box should be included in the cardboard article. Cardboard (disambiguation) should simply be a holding pen for the band, record, novel and tree. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:43, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * This is probably the second-most ridiculous move request I've seen on Wikipedia. (Nothing will ever beat King Eric, I'm afraid.) Strong and speedy support of course. Shout-out to Wbm1058 for that excellent sleuthing. Red Slash 05:13, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Support move. Coreyemotela (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC).
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Definition of paperboard changed
I went out on a limb and changed "less than about ten mils" to "more than about ten mils". I'm not an expert on paper, but the Wikipedia article on Paperboard says "thicker" than ten mils ("ten points" means the same thing). And the article on Card stock says effectively the same thing. Star-lists (talk) 19:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Word or topic?
The article starts out being about the word and later turns into being about the topic. I don't think the word "cardboard" warrants an article, and the first sentence should be changed as per WP:REFERS. I tried some small edits to get the article on topic but it was reverted. Volunteer1234 (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think it is fine as it is. This is basically a broad-concept article, since there is no universally accepted definition of cardboard. It is appropriate to begin by noting that it is indeed a generic term for what is thereafter described as the topic. bd2412  T 20:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)