Talk:Career development/Archives/2012

I wish to propose and discuss the following edit of this "career development" article.
Pete Hubbard (talk) 06:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

In organizational development (or OD), the study of career development looks at:
 * how individuals manage their careers within and between organizations
 * and how organizations structure the career progress of their members, it can also be tied into succession planning within some organizations.

In personal development, career development is:
 * " ... the total constellation of psychological, sociological, educational, physical, economic, and chance factors that combine to influence the nature and significance of work in the total lifespan of any given individual."

reflist
 * "... the lifelong psychological and behavioral processes as well as contextual influences shaping one’s career over the life span. As such, career development involves the person’s creation of a career pattern, decision-making style, integration of life roles, values expression, and life-role self concepts."
 * References

Here is my to do list for this article: Career development is a process which involves managing a career either within or between companies or organizations. This process involves learning new skills, making improvements, and moving forward in a career. There are numerous ways to define personality, but a simple definition is this: it is essentially what makes a person who they are; a person's behaviors and the way a person acts. first career development theories to be described. –developed to analyze traits or characteristics of individuals so these traits could be matched with qualifications required by jobs.-Each measures characteristics/types of individuals. assesses characteristics of people and characteristics of jobs, which are then matched to help an individual select an occupation assess an individual’s needs and skills so that they can be matched with similar needs and skills required by a small group of different -six types of people and six types of environments. –match person with the environment -describes ways of perceiving and judging the world –match a person’s style of judging and perceiving with the styles of judging and perceiving used by people employed in certain careers can assist a person in finding an appropriate work environment. -ego growth.-identity crises: clarity and stability of a person’s current and future goals. -self-efficacy.-outcome expectations. -Gaining self-understanding, -aptitudes, -achievements, -interests, -values.-Matching abilities, values, and reinforcers, -Achievement motive and fear of failure, -risk taking, -Mastery, -Response style, -interest stability. -Important for determining personality traits: -Important for determining possible happiness in careers -Myers Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) -Big Five
 * Definitions,
 * Career Development,
 * Personality
 * Trait and Type Theories
 * Trait and factor theory
 * Work Adjustment Theory
 * Holland’s typological Theory
 * Myers-Briggs Type Theory
 * Psychoanalytic Approaches to Career Development
 * Social Learning Theory Approach
 * Personality Traits
 * Personality Trait Assessments


 * Needs and Job Satisfaction
 * Occupational Values
 * Relationship between Interests, needs and values==
 * Others
 * Career development of women
 * Career development of people of color


 * Agree the article needs some significant development done on it. I would suggest you start with setting out two or so definitions and see where that goes as you will need to find some robust citations which amount to reliable sources for these. Beyond this it looks like you have an article plan based on an essay rather than what an encyclopedia article ahould contain. I would step away from listing a whole load of theories and aim to make the article more practical so it is of utility for typical users. Otherwise you are just regurgitating what is in a standard student text book. Otherwise go for it!Tmol42 (talk) 21:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I like all of these edits and new sections. I also highly agree with what the previous reviewer stated. You list a lot of theories and you do not need to go through all of them, especially since some of them already have existing wikipedia. Make sure you link your ideas to other wikipedia articles. I look forward to your article. -EM Testaccountpy242 (talk) 16:49, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Article Rredraft
This draft has been copied to the temporary page Talk:Career development/draft. Please make all suggested revisions there first.Tmol42 (talk) 19:18, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments added by ????
3 Strengths

Great connection to identity formation and summary of the different theories that are critical to understanding how crucial of a role personality plays in career development Good incorpration of many theories, many different aspects of career development and personality development that go hand-in-hand Good organization and in depth analysis of each theory and relation to career

3 Improvements Make the heading “Career Development and Personality” above the contents page and then make the following headings (ex.Definitions, Identity, Personality Traits etc...) their own headings. The paragraphs on Identity, personality traits and personality trait assessments are long and harder to read...if you could try to separate into smaller paragraphs they will be easier to read and look less bulky. Maybe add a brief discussion for the last 4 bullet points; personality/career development/race or gender are inter-related as well

The article looks great!! --Eileen O'Malley and Jenna Denice

Taking the draft above forward
I realise the contributors are new to Wikipedia so would suggest a way forward. By the way, it is an important convention to sign off all edits to the discussion page with 4~ like this ~ so the contributions of the various editors can be distinguished and responded to. As we have a proposed draft of the whole article above it needs to worked on before uploading. I have created a temporary article page called Talk:Career development/draft and have transferred the text there so it can be worked on and discussed.
 * Need to take a look at Tutorial which links to articles on how to write article in the style set out by Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
 * The content needs to always be supported by reliable sources and annotated with references to these sources
 * Need to start by getting some concensus to the structure and content of the article.

Comments on the draft The content as currently set out takes a wholly academic theoretical approach to the subject. This is not how article on Wikipedia which is an encyclopedia that is aimed at provided users with a broad based approach to subjects I have also noticed that the slant of the whole proposed draft takes a perspective that its all related to personality. Personality is a factor but should not be the focus of the whole article. If editors think Career development and pesonality is a topic deserving an article in Wikipedia then a new article on this subject should be created instead.Tmol42 (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Question about deletion
Hi there, I had previously edited the page of career development and was curious as to why the edits were deleted. Thanks Pagemd (talk) 20:24, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Pagemd. If you look above you will see there is a reference to a version of the draft that you/another editor had previosuly pasted on the Talk Page. This is not the way to proceed and caused a fair amount of work for me to disintangle from other comments and move to a separate but linked page. I also suggested above that it be discussed / maybe worked on and if appropriate concensus is achieved to adding new content it can be added to the article. To reiterate previous concerns. What you added was I am afraid excessive both in volume and in relation to the main purpose of the article. A paragraph or so on the subject of career development and personality is one thing but what you pasted appeard to be a substantial and bespoke essay tackling the theoretical aspects of a largely academic topic which would not warrent being part of a more general article in an encyclopasedia. I am not saying there would not be room for a separate article on this subject but just doing a dump of a massive amountof content as you did will just result in it being reverted. Can I suggest you read up on the appropriate WP guidance relating to editing existing and on creating new articles which will be accessinble from the links in the welcome message on you own User Talk Page.Tmol42 (talk) 19:16, 3 December 2012 (UTC)