Talk:Caresse Crosby/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: –– Jezhotwells (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: fixed five. diff

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Checking against GA criteria

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * In 1915, she married the well-to-do Richard R. Peabody, whose family had arrived on New Hampshire in 1635.  "on New Hampshire"? ✅
 * Richard turned into a drunk and fire engine chaser.  "fire engine chaser"? Is this some sort of American cultural reference? Remember that most of your readers are not American and do not have English as their first language. ✅
 * Approaching her own debut, she danced in "one to three balls every night" and slept from four in the morning until noon. At twelve o'clock she [Marie, her French maid] got me up for my customary debutante luncheon.[4]:7 what is the stray superscript 7 at the end of this sentence?
 * It's a page reference for the preceding citation. See rp. ✅


 * In 1910, at age 19, Mary Phelps Jacob was preparing to wear a sheer evening gown to a debutante ball that night What night is "that night". Please rewrite in plain clear English. ✅
 * In fact all of this paragraph needs a good rewrite: For nearly 300 years, women of certain social classes supported their bust using a corset, which was used to narrow a woman's waist. In New York in 1910 the only acceptable undergarment was a corset stiffened with whalebone. Polly, who was generously endowed, had worn the gown to her own debut a few weeks previously, and had found her corset's whale bones visibly poked out around her plunging neckline and from under the sheer fabric.[4]:6[10] Dissatisfied with this arrangement, she worked with her maid Marie to fashion two silk handkerchiefs together with some pink ribbon and cord. The sentence about corsets seems to have been thrust in here, almost at random.
 * After she married, Polly filed a legal certificate with the Commonwealth of Massachusetts on May 19, 1920, declaring that she was a married woman conducting a business using separate funds from her husband's bank account. I'm guessing that you actually mean something like "...using funds that were separate from here husband's bank account."
 * She named the company the Fashion Form Brassiere Company and located her manufacturing shop on Washington Street in Boston, where she ran a two-woman sweatshop that manufactured her wireless brassière during 1922. Very poor construction - try erading out aloud.
 * ''In her later years, she wrote, "I can't say the brassiere will ever take as great a place in history as the steamboat, but I did invent it."[9]:cover" another stary mark "cover".
 * Consistency: Various names are used for the artcile subject: Polly, Polly Jacob, Mary Phelps Jacob, Polly Jacob Peabody. Consistency is required and surnames are preferred. Please study WP:Naming conventions (people). The same applies to the names of husbands and lovers.
 * Harry never spoke to the girl on his left. is this significant?
 * On July 20, they spent the night together, and two days later Polly accompanied Harry to New York. He had planned a trip to France to tour battle sites. They spend the night together at the Belmont Hotel. Polly said of the night, "For the first time in my life, I knew myself to be a person." Two spend the night togethers, is this the same event?
 * While Dick Peabody worked at the bank, Harry Crosby sent crates of flowers from his mother's garden to Polly's apartment and brought over toys for the children., implies some sort of connection between her husban'd bak work and her lover sending here flowers.
 * They drove to the shore together.[4]:17 Richard volunteered to join the fire department and persuaded the fire chief to wire a fire alarm bell to his home so he could turn out at any hour.[6] The fire chief soon let Richard go, and he retreated into drink again.[4]:17 This is all very mixed up and confusing.
 * Reading down the page, this looks thrown together, obviously cut and pasted from somewhere - the errant superscripts.  This needs properly rewriting and copy-editing before being nominated as a good article. Frankly the prose is very poor at the moment.
 * The whole tone is not really encyclopaedic, focussing on small details, and jumping from topic to topic, almost at random.
 * It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * All book references need page numbers, also ISBN numbbers for books published after 1973
 * ref #2 Parker, Phillip M. (2008). Ancestry Webster's Quotations, Facts and Phrases. San Diego, California: ICON Group International. http://books.google.com/books?id=6hFQ9oOOHy0C. Retrieved 3-28-2010. I am puzzled by this as
 * ref #22 geocities.com is a blacklisted URL, see if you can find Anais Nin at Gutenberg or the Internet archive, if you wish to link it. WP:BLACKLIST gives information about Spam blacklist
 * Two dedlinks as noted above
 * There are outstanding ciattion needed tags, at least one from Sepetmber 2008!
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * Too much detail about side issues, e.g. In the pattern of other sons of the elite from New England, he was a volunteer in the American Field Service Ambulance Corps. On November 22, 1917, the ambulance he was driving was destroyed by artillery fire, but he emerged miraculously unhurt. His best friend, "Spud" Spaulding, was seriously wounded in the explosion and Harry saved his life. The experience profoundly shaped his future.[6] He was at the Second Battle of Verdun. After the battle, his section (the 29th Infantry Division, attached to the 120th French Division) was cited for bravery, and in 1919 Crosby was awarded the Croix de Guerre. Crosby wrote in his journal, "Most people die of a sort of creeping common sense and discover when it's too late that the only things one never regrets are one's mistakes." He vowed that he would live life on his own terms.. Sufficent to mention the bravery, the award and the quote.
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * An image in the infobox would be good.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I am putting this on hold for seven days. There is a lot of work to be done here. If significant progress is not made in a week, then I shall fail this nomination. However the list at WP:GAN is quite short now, so you would not have to wait long for a review. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, following the conversation below, i shall not be listing this at this time. When the nominator has more time to address the issues, this can be renominated. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * I am putting this on hold for seven days. There is a lot of work to be done here. If significant progress is not made in a week, then I shall fail this nomination. However the list at WP:GAN is quite short now, so you would not have to wait long for a review. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 18:45, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, following the conversation below, i shall not be listing this at this time. When the nominator has more time to address the issues, this can be renominated. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 08:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)




 * Thanks for the thorough and careful review. I will resolve the issues you've identified as rapidly as I can. However, I would ask for a couple more weeks leeway. A close member of my family was injured in a car accident last weekend and I am spending considerable time taking care of her. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 01:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear of this. The GA process is intentionally meant to not be drawn out, and as the recent backlog elimination drive has reduced the waiting time for reviews to just a few days on average, it would probably be better if I fail this nomination now and you can re-nominate when the artcile is ready, thus reducing the pressure on yourself. What do you think? –– Jezhotwells (talk) 22:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fine, np. Will resolve the issues you've listed and then renom. -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 02:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)