Talk:Carl Diem

Not Accurate
In **1906** Diem began his long Olympic career, leading the German contingent of athletes to the **Athens** games (for reasons that are not entirely clear, the German delegation actually entered the stadium first in the parade of athletes).

Athens games took place in 1896 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_Games_host_cities — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.201.100 (talk) 08:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

The sentence could be referring to the Athens 1906 Intercalated Games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1906_Intercalated_Games (but I cannot track the source). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.79.86 (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Untitled
...didn't happen at the next Olympic games in 1948

This is untrue.

This article contradicts itself. In the initial description, it identifies Diem as a nazi commander, and then gives an ambiguous statement that he was not, but he was, then he's not again. Which is it? If he was, he was, if not, it's pretty irresponsible to lay a label like that on someone. 67.214.11.40 (talk) 09:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with the above comment. The article never suggested that Diem was a nazi general. It does state that he was accused of this but there was no evidence - as he wasn't. He was, however, very close to the nazis when they ruled Germany. I don't think any of this is ambiguous in the article's text. Perhaps parts could be worded more clearly as you have obviously misunderstood it, so others might also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.197.84 (talk) 21:35, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

article overhaul
I certainly hope the above complaint has been handled by the fairly thorough overhaul I gave this article. Quality assessment is welcome, as are any comments or critiques. Shlimozzle (talk) 14:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Nationalsocialist leadership
Carl Diem held a post of leadership in the Nazi regime, and within a major organization of the Nazi party, the NSRL. He was also successful in West Germany after the Nazi regime was over. But the latter should not be a reason to whitewash his past as Nazi leader.Xufanc (talk) 07:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Theodor Lewald
Nazi Sports leader Von Tschammer, even after Lewald was deposed by the Nazis, would keep Carl Diem, Lewald's predecessor in a high position in the sports body, and years later he would appoint Theodor Lewald as president of the Organizing Committee of the Berlin Olympic Games. In key sections of the article this seems to be ignored. In those key sections it also seems to rely too heavily on only two sources (The Games must go on and Jews and the Olympic Games) that choose to tarnish some Nazi officers while sparing others in a manner that makes its neutrality doubtful. The article as it is now (November 11, 2008) seems to be written from an American perspective, portraying Diem as an admirer of Americans among other things. It is doubtful that Diem's pro-Americanism would outweigh his commitment to the Nazi cause as a high government official in the Third Reich till the end. Diem praised the Nazi troops in World War 2 right until the fall of Berlin.

It is also highly doubtful that American sports bodies of the time were very concerned about Aryanism and about Third Reich attitudes towards Jews. The sources quoted seem very close to history rewritten later in order to whitewash a past of permissivity towards the nascent Nazi regime. Further citations from neutral sources are needed. Xufanc (talk) 08:42, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV
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Language clarifications
Assistance would be useful from a subject-matter expert (and/or German-language speaker?):

Sentence #1
Lewald had to arrange himself with Hans von Tschammer und Osten, the new President of the National Olympic Committee, but even more so with Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick...

The word "arrange" here doesn't make much sense. I suspect that the author's intent was something along the lines of "ingratiate", but that's just my own guess based on the historical context.

Sentence #2
...Mr Haeggert, administrator of the Propaganda Minister on the Propaganda Committee of the Summer Games, invented the propaganda stunt...


 * 1) Similar to the preceding case, "administrator" seems a bit odd here.  I'd guess that "representative" would be clearer (i.e. it describes Haeggert's role on the committee rather than (I presume) his general job function within the Ministry) – but only, of course, if it's correct.  Is it?
 * 2) That's "propaganda" three times in one sentence.  One of them can be eliminated by using the Minister's name instead of his title

Assuming both of those changes are appropriate – and that the Minister in question was Goebbels, as I strongly suspect – that leaves us with something like this, which scans a lot better: ...Mr Haeggert, Goebbels's representative on the Propaganda Committee of the Summer Games, invented the propaganda stunt...

Is that rewritten form still accurate? (Language-wise, the two remaining "propaganda"s are fine; it's having three that's a bit much.) Erics (talk) 08:14, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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