Talk:Carlisle Cathedral

Wrong
This is my first comment on Wikipedia, so I may disobey all kinds of rules, but I wish to object to the inaccuracy of the central paragraph of this article.

Five of the seven bays of the cathedral were actually destroyed by the Scottish Presbyterian Army during the Civil War, to provide stone for the reinforcement of the castle. This army had even less respect for madieval architecture than Oliver Cromwell himself. Charles Edward Stuart, whose supporters were Catholic, never did any damage to this or any other medieval cathedral. After their defeat the Jacobites were held prisoner in the castle, not the cathedral, prior to their execution.

Please check this information against the English Heritage website for Carlisle Castle, and the VisitCumbria website.

PNeedham 12:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. -- SECisek (talk) 10:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Aaaargh!
The combination of an enormous text box and several pics directly underneath it cannot work! Even on a narrow monitor, it causes great breaks in the text!! I get sick of fixing messes made by the same well meaning people who simply do not LOOK at what they have done! Amandajm (talk) 07:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * fixed Amandajm (talk) 14:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Cathedral Size
Compare the articles about Chelmsford and Carlisle cathedrals. Both are claimed to be the second smallest in England after both of Oxford and Derby cathedrals which are supposed to be the smallest. This doesn't look correct.--218.102.145.252 (talk) 00:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, claims have been made about both of them being the second smallest, and not just on Wikipedia. Chelmsford District Council make the claim for Chelmsford, while the Council for British Archaeology makes the claim for Carlisle. I'd tend to go with CBA, but we could just say that Carlisle claims to be the second smallest, as does Chelmsford. Nev1 (talk) 00:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Carlisle is the second smallest of the ancient cathedrals. A number of cathedrals have been created in the 20th century that were never intended to be cathedrals, and were not large abbeys either. They are "parish church" cathedrals and can are generally smaller than any of the ancient cathedrals except Oxford and Carlisle. The reason why Oxford and Carlisle are so small is that in both cases the nave was mostly demolished. Oxford was always very small but Carlisle would have been about 320-350 feet long. About the size of Chester, Hereford, Lichfield, Gloucester etc.
 * Looked at from an architectural point of view, Chelmsford is not the second smallest cathedral, because architecturally speaking, it simply isn't a cathedral. Architecturally speaking, the Cathedrals of England and the Parish Churches of England form two distinct groups. Even a truly grand and beautiful medieval parish church, Lavenham or St Mary's Redcliffe for example, can't be mistaken for an ancient cathedral. I'll fix it.
 * Amandajm (talk) 04:11, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Definition of "Flowing Decorated Gothic"
In the article's introducton, the term "Flowing Decorated Gothic" is used. However, while the linked article English Gothic architecture explains the meaning of "decorated Gothic", it doesn't elaborate on the exact meaning of flowing decorated Gothic. As it seems, "flowing" might be synonymous to "curvilinear", the latter term being used as opposed to "geometric". Therefore I would like to suggest adding a definition here, e.g. "flowing (or curvilinear) decorated Gothic". 92.79.101.164 (talk) 11:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)