Talk:Carlo Maderno

"Swiss architecture"
If Carlo Maderno was a "Swiss architect" as naively insisted upon, the "Swissness" of his architecture needs to be discussed. We await enlightenment from User:Cate. --Wetman 19:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * (Note: This is my first change about "swissness"). Your version was: Italian architect, born in Ticino (now part of Switzerland), which is not correct. The now implied that Ticino was not in Switzerland in 16 century. So I corrected in a formal way. But I wrote in changelog that nationality was not important in that epoch, so IMHO we could remove the "Swiss" (and "Italian"). Maybe you can enlight me what relation has nationality with architecture style. Cate 19:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

"Dates"
The page says that pope Paul V (former Camillo Borghese) appointed Maderno chief architect of St Peter's in 1603. This is strange because Camillo Borghese only bacame pope in 1605. The question is, is the date, the pope or just the name wrong... 21:45 5 January 2012 (CET) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.164.1.63 (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Lead
In the lead it is stated that Maderno was a Swiss-Italian architect, but the used reference (Britannica) says that he was Italian (in the link), and Roman (in the lead). I am well aware that he was born in today`s Ticino, but one should notice that at that time those territories were not a Canton, but merely a possession of Swiss German cantons. Moreover, he left his homeland when he was not notable. According to this criterium, we should write that Gian Lorenzo Bernini was a Spanish-Italian artist, since at that time Spain was owner of Naples. Alex2006 (talk) 16:55, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Alex2006, I think simply "Italian" would suffice. No need for the extra part about either Swiss or Spanish heritage given he didn't really have either. He wasn't "Swiss" in that same sense that we would think of Swiss heritage now. Nor was he "Spanish" either - he just happened to work in an area which was at that point under Spanish control. If someone was born in American-controlled Kabul after US troops arrived, we wouldn't call them "American". I say we stick to simply "Italian" like Britannica (and other sources) and that should be fine. Stalwart 111  23:48, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, Stalwart: moreover, there is the WP:OPENPARA guideline, which is clear. Maderno (but also Borromini, Fontana, etc.) became all notable in Rome, and lived in Rome most of their life. I think we should write for all of them Italian, or at most Roman. Maybe it would be good to bring the discussion on Borromini's talk page. Alex2006 (talk) 06:43, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * For sure. I think "Italian" would be fine ("Roman" is generally taken to mean "Ancient Roman") and we should have a discussion about the same for other similar articles. Stalwart 111  07:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)