Talk:Carlos A. Long

Carlos Long
Impressive work of late. Who would have thought covering the All-Southerns would find "a true friend of the Hawaiian race"? Cake (talk) 20:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep,he was an interesting individual. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Did he practice law just a year? Cake (talk) 01:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No he probably practiced law for a good deal of time. Usually local politicians can't work full time as politicians. He would probably worked as a lawyer in between working for the territorial government.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * wish I could beef up the section on his political and legal career, or at least see where my lack of comprehension lies. Also, is there any reason for showing his mother's dates but not his father? Cake (talk) 01:38, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * His father's lifespan is not known that is the reason. There are 1149 result in local Hawaiian newspapers for his life between just 1900 and 1922 if you want to comb through that.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think this Charles Long is his father? Cake (talk) 01:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There are also several reference to a "Judge Carlos Long" c. 1908. Cake (talk) 01:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I generally don't try to expand a biography beyond what I know for certain. Since he lived till 1943 there is much stuff we can't access for certain about him--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Think it is him, though. see page 8. The "tax accessor for eight years" bit makes it seem as if we left off in 1921, when we did so in 1905, which is further confounded by the reference to statehood in 1959; so went the motivation to make it a note. Cake (talk) 02:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Long had nothing to do with statehood. The book author Smith just argued that this act named and brought up by Long was one of many political and local actions in Hawaii which contributed to creating a spirit or sense of local government which led to statehood in 1959. It's a lot of indirectness but is interesting showing an influence/legacy he played an indirect part in. Many in Hawaii wanted statehood since at least the 1900s.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Moving this from my talk page, so it be more accessible to others as well.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:48, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Makes sense to me. Percy Given looms large for one who digs a bit into the history of the center position, and Long of course was even before him. It seems 1909 Hawaii v. Punahou School is taken to be the first proper college football game in Hawaii. Cake (talk) 13:55, 12 December 2016 (UTC)