Talk:Carly Corinthos/Archive 1

Original research
I appreciate the work that has gone into this article (and other General Hospital articles); however many of them are violating Wikipedia's policies on Verifiability. Some of the information in this article is obviously from the show itself, but other parts seem to be coming from other sources -- these sources need to be named in the article, in a "References" section at the bottom. --Elonka 19:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * All of the information in these articles comes directly from the show. They are completely verifiable. I'm not sure what facts you think are not. --Bookworm857158367 21:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, for example, are there any sources which can be used to verify the dates that different actors played the character? --Elonka 21:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't add the actors but the names of the actors are certainly correct, as are the approximate dates they portrayed the character. This article and any others I contributed to were based on information from the show itself. --Bookworm857158367 21:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not faulting your memory, but there are still Wikipedia policies on these kinds of things, for example please read: No original research and Verifiability. As it stands, without any sources at all, the page could be in danger of deletion.  To avoid this though, it would help if it could provide links to other websites which help verify some of the information here (especially anything that's from longer than a few years ago). --Elonka 21:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't really agree, but I did add a biography at the soap central site to the external links category. In this case and in all the other biographies posted, the show itself is the only reference. The events listed in the article are simply things that happened to the character on the show over the past 13 years. I know what happened to this character because I happen to have watched the show for over 20 years and am extremely familiar with this character. Other people who have added to the article are equally familiar and are also using this show itself -- just as you would use a mystery novel as the text when writing an article about a fictional character in a novel. I've seen any number of entries like that -- and about other TV characters, I might add -- which have not been given an "original research" tag. It's updated as events happen on the show, which is aired five days a week. The soap central site is basically a fan listing kept by other people who watched the show as well. --Bookworm857158367 23:42, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the soapcentral.com link, it is helpful. Also, I think that you have an amazing memory, and I'm not claiming that the information in this article is incorrect, but anything that goes on Wikipedia still has to be verifiable by other editors.  There's a certain amount of wiggle-room, like I'm not going to insist that 100% of the sentences can be traced back to individual sources (though some other articles on Wikipedia do have to meet that standard), but there do have to be verifiable sources, otherwise this article is going to get in serious trouble down the line.  I'm actually trying to prevent that from happening -- there are other administrators who would simply delete this article on sight, without any kind of discussion, and there's actually been a certain amount of luck that they haven't yet happened upon the GH information within the 1.4 million (and growing!) set of Wikipedia articles.  My goal, as a GH fan, is to help get the GH articles properly anchored with verifiable sources, so they won't be in as much danger as they currently are. As for just "using the show as a reference", it's definitely okay to use in some cases, but it can't be the only reference.  For example, in order to have an article on Wikipedia, there needs to be a case that a particular subject or character is notable enough to deserve an article, per Wikipedia guideines on Notability.  Or in other words, just because a book is published (or a pilot of a television series is aired), doesn't mean that there should be a Wikipedia article on it...  There has to be a case that the book or show or character is "notable".  In the case of soap opera characters, I think you'll agree that not every walk-on character (like the waitress in the hotel restaurant) should have a separate Wikipedia bio.  However, some characters are notable, and this is easy to see because they're referenced in multiple other media:  Soap Opera Digest, Lisa Rinna's "Soap Talk" show, TV Guide, and sometimes even more major media such as Newsweek or CNN.  Those are the kinds of references which this article needs, both to prove that "Carly Corinthos" is genuinely notable, and to allow other editors than yourself to be able to verify the information which is within this article.   --Elonka 17:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If you want references, you are certainly welcome to go back and add that particular link to every article you feel where it is needed. There are biographies for every character on that site as well. I'm very confident that the information I added IS correct, is originally written, and that the articles here are "noteworthy," particularly considering the frivolity of some of the other topics I have seen. There are a variety of other articles on this site where the show or book or whatnot are the only link.--Bookworm857158367 19:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Please, keep in mind that I'm on your side! I'm a GH fan too, and I see this information as useful.  But we must must must include references and sources, or all this work is going to be deleted.  With all due respect, it's not about whether you, as the person adding the information, feels that the information is notable and true, it's about whether other non-fan editors can go to the same sources, to verify the information, and perhaps more importantly, verify that the information is even notable.  Just because something appeared on a show, doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth putting in a Wikipedia article.  Some of this information is what's called "fancruft," which you can read more about at WP:CRUFT, for example, according to Wikipedia's notability guidelines, an article should not be entirely composed of summaries or biographies of fictional characters. Other links worth reading are Verifiability and No original research, and there are cautionary tales at Deletion policy/Minor characters.  Lastly, even in those cases where you can use a television show as a source, you can't just say, "It was on the show," you have to be able to reference a particular episode, on a particular date. But best is to reference an outside article that appeared in a newspaper or magazine or other credible source, which both verifies the information, and also confirms notability.  --Elonka 19:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Creation Section
I added a quotation by Patrick Mulcahey, who helped create Carly, about the creation of the character and the difficulties the staff at General Hospital experienced at the time the character first started airing and what went into her. I hope everything is fine with it. Glo145 (talk) 01:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed It. It is not part of the article. --Santos25Q 12:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Santos25Q (talk • contribs)


 * Santos, are you completely disregarding what I have been trying to teach you? That is exactly the type of thing that should be a part of this article. If you are not going to listen/try. but rather continue to just add plot to these fictional character articles instead, then I can't guide you. Flyer22 (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I got my undies in a tizzy too, but it turns out that the quote itself was removed at some point in the past, and it was only an unsourced statement that was removed recently. I went back into the history and found the quote, it may need trimming but ... &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 15:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that the section that was removed was unsourced, which I commented about to Santos on his talk page. My problem with his removing it is that he somehow felt/feels that the creation of this character is not part of this character, has nothing to do with this character, as if it has more to do with the creators and actresses who portrayed her. Even if it had more to do with the creators and actresses, it is still part of the character and should be in this article -- something that Santos needs to understand. I completely get your reasons for removing that section, TAnthony, and I told Santos that you at least had a good reason for removing it. Previously, AniMate had removed most of that section due it being a copyvio from soaps.com... I don't know how it became a soaps.com statement, though. It seems someone had replaced the source Glo gave with a source from soaps.com. Anyway, good to see that quote back. Flyer22 (talk) 15:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

2006-2007
I re-wrote the 2006-2007 section because it was awkward. None of the other characters seem to have sections like this, however, and we might consider omitting it altogether. Walksintoabar 03:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I have been a Carly fan. I always watch General Hospital MichelleKerchal

Creator?
The character was created by what head writer, was it Robert Guza, Jr. or Claire Labine? Guza took over in March of 1996 and Carly first appeared in April of 1996, and Labine was the predessecor of Guza? Does anyone know for sure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glo145 (talk • contribs) 00:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Editing
This article needs a lot of editing, namely editing down the years section and adding them into the main article and storylines. The article keeps repeating information. I will try to do a bit of the editing, can other please help?-- Char leen mer ced  Talk  15:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

the baby storyline of 2007
The baby could be Sonny? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Car5ly858 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The baby is with Jax —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eragon30 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

benson?
shouldn't the page be titles Carly BENSON Jacks? Benson is her maiden name after all —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.112.119 (talk) 03:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * no, Carly goes by Carly Corinthos Jacks instead of her maiden name. --Car5ly858 06:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually per WP:COMMON the page should be Carly Corinthos, not to include Jacks regardless of what she is currently going by on screen. Familiarizing yourself with the common names policy will assist you in knowing where pages should go and what they should be called.CelticGreen 18:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

the baby's with Jax
we don't even know that Carly is pregnant with the baby yet.

She is pregant. She just lost the baby.

Mving Page
If Tracy Quartermaine on Wikipedia is Tracy Spencer... I think Carly's name should be Carly Jacks because she is credited so at the end of the show. P.S: Tracy Quartermaine is still Tracy Quartermaine. ABC.com says so. And Carly's Full name is Caroline "Carly" CCorinthos. I have Proof. 

So we have to move it tho? Eragon30 (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)--Eragon30 (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I would agree however her marriage to Jax has become strained because of Michael's shooting and Jax wanting to keep Sonny away from his step-sons that Jax has no right to beside that he is their step-father. --michellekerchal (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Changing Picture
I would suggest to update to title image because that picture was taken exactly a year before. I would also like to see updates on Jason Morgan, Sonny, Jax, Elizabetrh. And where did the liason page go?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.231.80 (talk) 11:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Birth year/Age
Is there a reliable source for the year? 1972 or 1982? I doubt they're actually trying to say she's 25, though. Laura Wright's closer to 40 than 30, and if she was 25 she would have had Michael when she was a preteen and Morgan as a teenager. I know about SORAS but those years and ages look like original research. Ani Mate  04:06, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Jennifer Bransford "controversy"
Also, this doesn't belong in the article. It's a vio of WP:BLP with some of the things it says about Jennifer Bransford. Ani Mate  04:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've also removed the unsourced statement in the lead that Bransford was replaced due to fan unhappiness. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 06:11, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Super Couple???
Carly and Sonny??? WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PAGE?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by AugustAugust (talk • contribs) 08:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yikes, calm down. Many "Supercouple" articles were deleted for notability reasons. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 15:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Flyer to the rescue
Flyer, regarding your edit summary here, if you have the time and inclination I definitely think it'd be great for you to make improvements to this article in the hopes that Santos will learn by example. It seems like his mistakes are mostly newbie errors and over-enthusiasm (is that a word??), and it is very generous of you to be so patient and willing to instruct. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 15:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

John Durant's Death
He didnt die in 2005, when Carly suffered the breakdown. He died protecting her in May 5th, 2006, when she was healthy. I have the Youtube Video and the Re-Cap. --UndersonJack (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC) John died when Manny was trying to killed his daughter. John protect his daughter and it was May 5thh that he died on. --M42380 (talk) 21:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Patrick Drake???
When did Carly ever have a romance with Patrick Drake?? Ive been watching the show since 04 and Carly is one of my fav characters. The only doctors I remember her ever being involved with was Dr. Tony Jones and a very, very, very brief flirtation with Dr. Steven Lars Webber. Please clarify and fix! Phenomenon8980 (talk) 19:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

She and Patrick dated from December 2005 to June 2006. Although they weren't as intence as Sonny anc Carly, they kissed and went out on dates occasionally. I can get you Youtube Videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.239.193 (talk) 15:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

She had a date with him to make Robin jealous when Robin and Patrick were broken up. --M42380 (talk) 18:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

No, clarification, she had 1 date with Patrick to make Robin jealous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.85.219 (talk) 09:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Marriage to Jax
I told them asswholes on here that Carly and Jax where still married, but you know some jackass had to keep changing them to divorced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.85.219 (talk) 07:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You should not be using the names like that. It is rude to used that kind of names.--M42380 (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Name of the page
I think that more people would probably look up Carly Corinthos rather than Carly Jacks. --Jenan34 (talk) 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and this article will be changed back to Carly Corinthos, per Wikipedia policy, seeing as that is her common name. Flyer22 (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I tried changing it back but it wont work. Why is is not Working —Preceding unsigned comment added by Santros57Q (talk • contribs) 23:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because only administrators have the power to move it back when it's been moved so many times that it cannot be moved any longer without administrative assistance. I'll get on that now. Flyer22 (talk) 19:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Once it's moved back to Carly Corinthos, then it will have...like a fresh start where it can be moved again by non-administrators. That's part of the downside, though, considering that this article should not be moved any time soon. Carly Corinthos is far from not being her common name. Flyer22 (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

What if Sonny dies and she stays with Jax's married name. After many years, will she be known as Carly Jacks? or (HOPE) Carly Morgan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Santos25Q (talk • contribs) 17:27, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

FYI, I was just categorizing redirects, and there are 24 (!!!) variations of the name that redirect to this page (see here). That is surely a record. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 17:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Randy Jaiyan was really persistent. A  ni  Mate  18:18, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Caroline ?
Isn't her full name Caroline Leigh "Carly" Jacks? She didnt change it (thats waht I think). —Preceding unsigned comment added by MoranRAV4 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't thank she'd drop "Corinthos"...it would probably be "Caroline Leigh Corinthos Jacks" or "Caroline Corinthos Jacks" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.85.219 (talk) 09:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Carly had droped the name Caroline. Her name is Carly Corinthos and that is that the name that she goes by. --M42380 (talk) 19:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The jackass above doesn't even know what he talking about. Her legal name is Caroline Corinthos Jacks, she goes by Carly Jacks. Her common name is however, Carly Corinthos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.95.85.219 (talk) 07:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Carly did have her name to Carly insead of Caroline.--M42380 (talk) 02:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey M42380. When or in which episode did she say she changed her name from Caroline to Carly? I know Carly is her common name and that she adopted the name after her friend Carly/Charlotte/Reese "died" as a sign of respect for her when she was a teenager, but was the change actually done legally or just as a nickname? I'm thinking Carly's just her nickname since Luke Spencer still calls her Caroline and I'm pretty sure she is referred to as Caroline whenever there is an official use of her name such as during her wedding ceremonies.Rocksey (talk) 07:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She changed in 1996 before arriving on the show.--M42380 (talk) 18:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, in what episode did she say that in?Rocksey (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It turns out she didn't drop the name Caroline. It is still her formal name. In her January 15/16, 2007 wedding to Sonny she is referred to as Caroline Leigh Corinthos.Rocksey (talk) 18:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She doesn't used that name at all expect for weddings. Her common name and the airdates have been saying Carly Corinthos Jacks--M42380 (talk) 23:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I realize her common name is Carly Corinthos. I was only pointing out that she never dropped the name Caroline and it is still used as her formal name. That's why I changed it to Caroline "Carly" Jacks. Other characters who go by a nickname still have their formal name mentioned at the start of their articles such as with the Bobbie Spencer, Sonny Corinthos, and Babe Carey articles. Why did you add the Corinthos back into her name though? Carly Corinthos is her common name but her current name is Carly Jacks and Corinthos is already listed as a name she formerly held.Rocksey (talk) 01:21, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Carly only added the Jacks last time to her legal name. She kept the Corinthos as along with it.--M42380 (talk) 02:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? You were wrong the last couple of times. When has she been referred to as Carly Corinthos Jacks?
 * I really do think that the article should start out with Caroline "Carly" Leigh Jacks to stay in accordance with other articles like with the Bobbie Spencer, Sonny Corinthos, and Babe Carey ones. If Corithins is going to be added between the middle name and Jacks, shouldn't it be removed from the former last name section since you say it's still in use?Rocksey (talk) 02:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * As long that it has Corinthos-Jacks to the page.Then i will be okay with it--M42380 (talk) 02:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You're still not answering the question though. When has Carly ever been referred to as Carly Corinthos Jacks? I just don't see her legally keeping that name.Rocksey (talk) 02:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She uses when she is around talking to her son Morgan Corinthos in the showing that he is in.here is a refence that she still uses that name. --M42380 (talk) 02:57, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was talking about an episode or something not a fansite. But never mind, the official site for General Hospital calls her Carly Corinthos Jacks.Rocksey (talk) 03:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, I found a episode that stated her as Carly Corinthos Jacks --M42380 (talk) 04:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksey (talk • contribs) 04:31, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Carly doesn't used that name unless it is important day for it to be use. --M42380 (talk) 15:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We already talked about this. Just because Carly doesn't use the name often doesn't mean her formal name shouldn't be mentioned at the start of the article. Again I'll point to the Bobbie Spencer, Sonny Corinthos, and Babe Carey articles. During the once in a blue moon that Bobbie is on, she doesn't go by her formal name Barbara. She goes by Bobbie. Yet you can see her article starts with "Barbara Jean "Bobbie" Spencer". The same goes for Sonny. His articles starts out "Michael "Sonny" Corinthos, Jr." even though he doesn't go by the formal name Michael. Then there's Babe. Her article starts out "Arabella "Babe" Carey Chandler" even though she isn't known widely as Arabella. There is a precedent for this and many other examples of it. That's why I feel the Carly article should continue to start out with "Caroline Leigh "Carly" Corinthos Jacks".Rocksey (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't agree with that name because the character doesn't even used that name in her normal day. The character should be named as Carly Corinthos Jacks and not anything else.--M42380 (talk) 23:15, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if she doesn't go by that name day by day. It is her formal name. Like I said above, other characters don't always use their formal names, yet the articles start out with their formal names and their nickname that they use regularly in parenthesis. I really don't understand why you're going against precedence on this. Plus you keep using "birth name" or "born as" which suggest that her formal name is no longer her name, which is wrong. Rocksey (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Her formal name is listed. I don't see the problem with that.Not every one character listed have to start out like that.--michellekerchal (talk) 03:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm coming into this late because I was hoping you all could resolves this peacefully. In any case, the name of the article and the way the character is named in the lead paragraph should essentially match, and should be the character's common name. As far as I know, no one calls her Caroline. And having a long name with all nicknames and marrried names introducing the article is ugly, confusing to readers unfamiliar with a character and kind of seems fansite-ey. But if this is still disputed, we should look to reliable external sources to determine the "common name." The newly-updated ABC site calls her Carly Corinthos Jacks. That's about as official as it gets.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 05:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

By the way, though other articles may start with the huge names, I doubt they are the majority and it certainly sets no precedent. There is no policy I know of which covers this for fictional characters. A common name is not six words long, they call her "Erica Kane," not Erica Kane Martin Brent Cudahy Chandler Roy Roy Montgomery Montgomery Chandler Marick Marick Montgomery.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 05:42, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Hey TAnthony,thanks for bringing a third opinion into this. So you don't think her formal name should be mentioned in the lead? I can sort of see what you're saying that it might get confusing with too many names, though I do think it's important to list her full first name at least. She's called Caroline (her full first name) during wedding ceremonies and by her uncle Luke. If it is decided that Caroline shouldn't start out at the beginning of the lead then I also don't think it should be put afterwards as it is now with "née: Caroline Leigh Benson". That suggests it is no longer the character's name which is inaccurate and I'm pretty sure née is only supposed to be used for maiden names.


 * Also, if it is decided that we don't start the article with her full first name, should other articles be changed to fit that? There are quite a few that do. Examples: Jack Abbott, Nikki Newman, Babe Carey, JR Chandler, Jamie Martin, Tad Martin, Sonny Corinthos, A. J. Quartermaine, J.T. Hellstrom, Billy Abbott, etc.Rocksey (talk) 06:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That does not mean that we have edited a war between us. Lets decided for Final time on what to do about it.--M42380 (talk) 16:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

What I objected to was the "Caroline Leigh "Carly" Benson Quartermaine Corinthos Alcazar Jacks is a fictional character ..." approach; other names being clarified in parentheses seems fine as long as the initial mention is clean. It seems preferable to jamming the infobox with alternate names. But I'm just about done with monitioring this article, the constant changes are annoying.

As far as other articles go ... it should probably just be on an article-by article basis. I mean, explaining the nicknames a la Barbara Jean "Bobbie" Spencer makes sense, it just seemed weird in Carly's case because "Benson" is a forgotten part of her name, and "Caroline Corinthos" seems like a different person. Anyway, my suggestion and ABC link above was an attempt to help the debate. Good luck with this one.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 03:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and for the record, the "nee" thing is just so corny, somebody went through and added that to a mass of articles a few months ago and now everyone thinks it's standard policy. I'll certainly leave it alone here, but come on.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 03:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * OK I see what you're saying now. I was never advocating that the character's name be listed as Caroline Leigh "Carly" Benson Quartermaine Corinthos Alcazar Jacks. I just thought it would be better to have Caroline "Carly" Corinthos Jacks, which would be just like Barbara Jean "Bobbie" Spencer (an example I used above) because Barbara Jean is as common for Bobbie as Caroline is for Carly.
 * Thanks for telling me about the "nee" thing. Should Benson be listed along with her married last names after "formerly" or should it just go back to "born as"?Rocksey (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "nee" thing is the for maddien name. --M42380 (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

CARLY CORINTHOS JACKS (I'M NOT YELLING)
ABC refers to her as Carly Corinthos Jacks. Let's have a vote. Those who want Corinthos and those who want Corinthos Jacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.238.223 (talk) 00:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This issue has been discussed much lately, have you been paying attention? Regardless, should such discussion result in n article name change, DO NOT MOVE BY CUTTING AND PASTING, as this loses edit history and violates policy. Also please add new comments to the bottom of all talk pages, and sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ ). Thanks. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 00:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
I have suppressed the following move discussion, which was initiated and supported by multiple socks of banned user Randy Jaiyan.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 07:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Carly Corinthos → Carly Corinthos Jacks — It is more suited for the role. She has been called Carly Corinthos Jax for a while now. And that's what most People mark her as on YouTube Videos, FaceBook, and ABC has even kept this as her Official name (Unlike for Robin Scorpio and Claudia Zacchara event hough they have each married. Please change it to Corinthos Jacks. — 65.92.238.223 (talk) 01:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

'''Not to disrupt the proceedings, but I suspect that the nominator of this move is an IP sock of Randy Jaiyan. If this is the case, I think the voting should continue, but actions should be taken against this user for continuing to edit.''' &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 01:21, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Support --65.92.238.223 (talk) 01:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Support --Sango Kirara 01:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * OpposeRocksey (talk) 01:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 02:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose --michellekerchal (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose --M42380 (talk) 03:13, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose --24.20.178.58 (talk) 04:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Note Both support votes above are socks of Randy Jaiyan who was banned for his obsessive, disruptive, and senseless page moves mostly centered on this article. -- AniMate talk  01:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:\


 * Carly Corinthos → Carly Corinthos Jacks —(Discuss)— It is more suited for the role. She has been called Carly Corinthos Jax for a while now. And that's what most People mark her as on YouTube Videos, FaceBook, and ABC has even kept this as her Official name (Unlike for Robin Scorpio and Claudia Zacchara event hough they have each married. Please change it to Corinthos Jacks. --65.92.238.223 (talk) 01:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll abstain from voting for now, but the ABC site does call her "Carly Corinthos Jacks." &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 01:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No matter what her current name of the moment is, the character is most notably known as Carly Corinthos.Rocksey (talk) 01:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * You make a good point, let the article stay as-is and the lead can change per her name-of-the-day ;) &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 02:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Carly is know that her last name is Corinthos rather than Corinthos Jacks. I think that it should stay on this comman name with policy that states that character is known for the most of the years.--michellekerchal (talk) 02:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Carly Corinthos should be still as Carly Corinthos. Thanks.--24.20.178.58 (talk) 04:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Roberts
Carly was never married to Dan Roberts. She never took that last name.--M42380 (talk) 05:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Does the article say she did marry Dan Roberts? Roberts is a last name she took. She assumed the alias Carly Roberts after her friend by that name (the daughter of Dan Roberts) was presumed dead and she blamed herself for it. Her real name is Caroline and her maiden name is Benson.Rocksey (talk) 05:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * no, it said that fromerly Roberts. She never took that name legally.--M42380 (talk) 06:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Caroline
It seems important to have Caroline in her name becasue that is her leagal name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.231.242 (talk) 18:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree but two different editors disagreed with me so I let it go. Rocksey (talk) 18:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Other than Randy's usual obsession with Carly's name and his inability or unwillinges to understand naming conventions and married names, I'm unsure what the problem is. Caroline is in the very first sentence. It says her name is Caroline right after her most common name. -- AniMate  talk  21:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the IP but like I stated above, I think that starting the article with "Carly Corinthos Jacks (born Caroline Leigh Benson)" falsely infers that Caronline is just her birth name and not her current name. A person reading the article who isn't familiar with the show might think she legally dropped the name Caroline and formally changed it to the alias Carly. I think it would be more clear if the article started out Caroline "Carly" Corinthos Jacks. Rocksey (talk) 04:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think this kind of trivia matters to the casual reader unfamiliar with the show, especially since everyone calls her Carly anyway. I also think it interesting to note that "Carly" was actually the nickname of Charlotte Roberts, the identity Carly borrowed, and not a shortened version of Caroline. But I wouldn't stop a change in the lead sentence as Rocksey suggests if a few other people think it's a good idea ... a few other people who are not Randy Jaiyan socks, of course. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 07:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Randy/the IP who started this thread has shown his true colors, leaving a profanity laced message and attempting to attribute it to Rocksey, who actually agreed with him. I left some alternatives to Wikipedia on the IP talk page, but since he jumps IPs almost daily I doubt he'll see it. This attack on Rocksey just proves what I already knew: we're not dealing with an angry user who is frustrated that his good faith attempts at editing were rejected. He's a vandal and a troll, pure and simple. Revert and ignore him from now on. I'll block when I can and if it's necessary. -- AniMate talk  23:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I knew I should have let dropped topics stay dropped. But really, doesn't Randy/the IP know that the page history would show who made the edit? Oh, well. Rocksey (talk) 00:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He knows and doesn't care. He's a troll and a vandal and clearly cares more for causing trouble rather than editing. Revert and ignore him, I'll block or you can request a block if I'm not around. Speaking of ignoring him, let's start now. No need to discuss him anymore. -- AniMate  talk  01:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)