Talk:Carmella Cammeniti/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sanders11 (talk) 13:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi there, I will be reviewing this article for you. Sorry you've had to wait so long for a review! It's been years since I've watched Neighbours so I may need some help with the plot. A skim through the article shows no obvious major issues so I will commence with a full review. Sanders11 (talk) 13:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * A few issues noted below
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * Again a few small issues
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Pass/Fail:

Lead
 * "with storylines which saw her attract the attention of a stalker, become a nun and suffer facial scarring, going on to develop an addiction to prescription medication, give birth to a premature daughter and lose her husband after a bushfire." – are all these storylines significant for the lead? It goes on a bit, the "and" after nun disrupts the flow, and I don't think "going on to" is needed ✅
 * In the last paragraph you seem to switch back and forth between referring to Blair and Carmella, can you try and make it clearer which is being referred to ✅
 * I make the changes to the "with storylines" part, removed the one about giving birth to Chloe early as it wasn't a long running story arc. I've stated whether it was Blair or Carmella being discussed in the final paragraph. Rain the One  BAM 21:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
 * Do you know the episode the image is taken from, or at least the year for a caption and for the image's page
 * No dates for student, magazine editor and nun?
 * She was a student when she entered the show, so there is no start date and I didn't think a partial date would look good in the box. ✅ Magazine editor and nun. - JuneGloom    Talk  15:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Storylines
 * "She later returns," – how much later? Is this within the same guest stint or the next one? ✅
 * "Lliam Amor" – is that a typo for Liam or is that his name? ✅ (Indeed, his name is Lliam Rain the One  BAM 17:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC))
 * "Carmella harbours a dark secret:" – this seems a bit out of nowhere, is this when she makes her next appearance? Did she have it when she first returned as a nun? ✅
 * "she take time off from the convent" – I think "takes" would read better although I think either is valid ✅
 * A saucer of boiling water? Can you tell me what was going on here that it wasn't a cup of water? ✅ (It was a saucepan full of boiling water, when the article was copy edited by other editors, they obviously changed that. Corrected. Rain the One  BAM 19:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC))
 * Might want to have a look at Will Griggs' actor ;) ✅
 * I think online is better than on-line, but either is fine ✅ (Changed to online Rain the One  BAM 19:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC))
 * No actor listed for Chloe (same issue in lead), but according to the character list the actor's name is known ✅
 * Does she stop being a nun at some point?✅ (I updated it to say she left after a fellow nun suggested she should Rain the One  BAM 19:16, 29 June 2011 (UTC))

Development
 * "fresh school graduate" – I presume this means newly graduated rather than a graduate from a fresh school, I first read it as being similar to high school graduate so could maybe do with being slightly reworded ✅
 * There should be a reference following "fun, feisty and foxy sort of character" ✅
 * "many people" – is this still Blair's opinion, or was it a question or another part of the article? ✅
 * "always have a special place in her heart" – is "her" referring to Carmella or Blair? ✅
 * "Although she began dating Marco, Blair felt that" – reads a bit like Blair was dating Marco, had to read it a couple of times to get it ✅
 * "Marc" -> "Marco" ✅
 * "It was full on it" – should this be "It was full on"? ✅
 * Ref 22 says April not March ✅

Reception
 * Ref 7 doesn't support that she returned due to their chemistry ✅
 * What category in the Golden Logies was she nominated for? You could add who she lost to if you want ✅ (But I left out who she lost to as I thought it is going of topic a little) Rain the One  BAM 17:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Inside Soap is italicised in one sentence and not in another, which is it? ✅
 * "been through a wringer" should have a reference after it ✅
 * "that the year 2008" – "that 2008" perhaps? ✅
 * Karma doesn't need to be capitalised and should have a link ✅
 * "takes the biscuit" again needs a reference after it ✅
 * "Oddly, none of her friends think she's gone mad, despite an impromptu version of "Amazing Grace"." – you shouldn't use double quotes within double quotes, the inside ones should be switched to single quotes ✅
 * If the author is known you should say their name in the prose, eg "The Herald Sun remarked" should be something like "Fiona Byrne of the Herald Sun remarked" ✅

References
 * Is it necessary to say ref 6 is in English? ✅
 * Digital Spy is a website, so no italics, likewise News.com, Lowculture, can you check these are all right please ✅
 * The MSN TV reference appears to be a blog
 * Ref 21 has Kris Green's name back to front ✅

On the whole a good article, it's mostly just minor points that need fixed. The rephrasing that I've done is entirely optional, if you prefer it as it is that's fine, or you can reword it in your own way if you like. I am putting the article on hold for seven days, feel free to question any of my points. Good luck! Sanders11 (talk) 14:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for the review, I will make a start on the changes. Rain the One  BAM 16:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've made the changes, though there are just two points I need to bring up. I'm not sure there is a replacement source for the 2008 Inside Soap Awards, what should I do? The other is including the date under the picture, as their is no caption. We don't usually include captions when only one actor has played the character. That is because it says who portrays below.. However, I did put the year on the image's page for you. I've made each change you suggested other than those two. :) Rain the One  BAM 21:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The same reference is used in a featured list (List of awards and nominations received by The Bill) so I guess it must check out okay and can be left. I noticed Pauline Fowler doesn't have a caption for the infobox image so no problem there. When hunting for an Inside Soap reference I did come across http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/scoop/a64083/inside-soap-awards-2007-the-nominations.html showing she was nominated in 2007 as well so that could be included. Also just noticed a small typo in the Storyline, "attepts" should be "attempts". I'll pass you once those are dealt with :). Sanders11 (talk) 22:06, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed the spelling. The 2007 awards was already included. :) Rain the One  BAM 23:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)