Talk:Carmen Lomellin

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I shouldn't have to say anything to oppose this speedy other than the fact that I clearly already added a source tag.

(We have bots doing speedy now? Soon we'll just have bots deciding RfDs and RfArs for us. Then it will become the collection of all robot knowledge instead of human knowledge. Awesome! :P ) - Keith D. Tyler &para; 20:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that the copyvio bot ought to be shut down until it can recognize material from the public domain. It is a sign of the times that this occurs. I have a feeling that there are far too few human editors working things like new articles. However, "Big brother is watching!". Stormbay (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To find that the material was CC licensed, I had to dig into a part of the site that the bot wouldn't see. I've never written a bot, but most of them are probably comparatively simple and just save time on repetitive or boring tasks, rather like the macros and .BAT and .EXE files I used to write. The copyvio bots have to drop text into Google (or somewhere), see what comes up, look closer at something that matches, and then tag the article and notify the author. I can see how that can be programmed, but not how to get them into a page that is accessed from a link on the text page. They find the site - we accept or reject AFTER looking at the site. Not purely because the bot says. You CANNOT recognise public domain or licensed text just by reading it. Only if the CC-BY-SA licensing is mentioned ON THE PAGE could the bot find it. Peridon (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the detailed explanation. I am "missing" the "good old days" when the tedious editing gave rise to real dialogue amongst editors. However, I do recognize the value of the bots. I personally do all my editig old style. I tagged a copyvio yesterday by looking for references and finding the source verbatim. Cheers! Stormbay (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I find a lot of copyvios myself - sometimes through being sensitive to the way things are worded. Before I became an admin, I never used anything automated. Well over 10,000 edits. I use Twinkle now, but only because I'm in control of it. And I leave personal messages (sometimes because the templates are bland and I want to be rude to someone...) Peridon (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2012 (UTC)