Talk:Carmen Suite (ballet)

Carmen Suite or The Carmen Ballet or Carmen (Shchedrin) or ... ?
When the music first became known in the West in the 1960s, it was always referred to as the ballet "Carmen". My Melodiya/EMI LP of the complete ballet, with the Bolshoi Theatre Orchestra under Rozhdestvensky, calls it "The Carmen Ballet". The so-called Carmen Suite as described in our article contains no less music than the whole ballet, so it's odd to give it the misnomer of "suite", which implies a selection only of a larger work (cf. the Nutcracker Suite). The very extensive notes on the sleeve of my LP do not use the word "suite" even once, as far as I can see.

So, I'm wondering if we can establish exactly what the title of the work is, and if it is really "Carmen Suite", why Shchedrin uses this title. -- ♬  Jack of Oz  ♬  [your turn]  10:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I also see we have Carmen (ballet), which has minimal information, and nothing to suggest it has any connection with Carmen Suite (ballet) apart from the closeness of the name. But there's an extremely close connection, My LP can help here. It turns out that:
 * Alberto Alonso was touring the USSR with his company, the Ballet Nacional de Cuba. Maya Plisetskaya approached him and asked him to create a Carmen ballet for her.
 * His sister-in-law Alicia Alonso danced his ballet to rave reviews in Havana and Mexico City. Her Don José was ...
 * Azari Plisetski, premier danseur of the Cuban company and Maya's brother.
 * The scenic designs were by Boris Messerer, who is the cousin of Maya Plisetskaya and Azari Plisetski.

The ballets danced in the USSR by Maya Plisetskaya (we call it "Carmen Suite (ballet)") and in the Americas by Alicia Alonso (we call it "Carmen (ballet)") were "the same ... except in the costuming".

These articles need merging, methinks. -- ♬  Jack of Oz  ♬  [your turn]  11:17, 13 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that there is an article on the well-known ballet by Roland Petit I think this one needs to become Carmen (Shchedrin or 1967) and the Carmen ballet should be disambiguation to both. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

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