Talk:Carnegie library

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The Smallest Carnegie Library is in Honea Path South Carolina

Terms?
"Very few towns that requested a grant and agreed to his terms were refused."
 * What were his terms? If this line is to be included, Carnegie's terms should be listd. Otherwise, it's a needless line. Ghostalker (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The "Fields of Philanthropy" section contains this description: Nearly all of Carnegie's libraries were built according to "The Carnegie Formula" which required the town that received the gift to:


 * demonstrate the need for a public library;
 * provide the building site; and
 * annually provide ten percent of the cost of the library's construction to support its operation.

Rdikeman (talk) 02:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Important topic
This article covers a topic important in US history. Links need to be converted to in-text citations for it to be considered for good or featured article status.--Parkwells (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

UK Examples
The system in the UK was similar to that in the USA, but slightly different. I don't know if it would be better to have separate articles for the different countries. --Alan (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Lists as separate article?
WIKI MOS discourages the use of long lists in articles; perhaps the lists of libraries in different countries should be linked as a separate page, rather than running below the narrative here.--Parkwells (talk) 13:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Chiming in quite late here, but I agree wholeheartedly. I've started a quick migration of the Canadian libraries in my sandbox, because it'll take a while to find all the information I'd like to see in the table. Any suggestions? --McMillin24 contribstalk 06:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * All right, as an update, I've created List of Carnegie libraries in Canada. I think all of the listings should be moved off the main Carnegie library article, and my suggestions are:
 * List of Carnegie libraries in the United States
 * List of Carnegie libraries in Canada
 * List of Carnegie libraries in Europe
 * List of Carnegie libraries in Africa, Australasia, and the Caribbean
 * I don't like the last grouping, but they really are just scattered libraries. --McMillin24 contribstalk 20:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Good work. I think Fiji has been missed. --Alan (talk) 06:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

When did the Carnegie grants end?
I recently translated this article into Japanese, and noticed a statement being seemingly contradictory. The leading section of this article states:
 * Of the 2,509 such libraries funded between 1883 and 1929, 1,689 were built in the United States, 660 in Britain and Ireland, 125 in Canada, and others in Australia, New Zealand, Serbia, the Caribbean, and Fiji. Very few towns that requested a grant and agreed to his terms were refused. When the last grant was made in 1919, there were 3,500 libraries in the United States, nearly half of them built with construction grants paid by Carnegie.

In which year did the library grants actually end, 1919 or 1929? --Occhanikov (talk) 14:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1919 may be correct for the USA, but there were grants in the 1920s for libraries in the UK.--Alan (talk) 14:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I totally overlooked it. --Occhanikov (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

CurleyQ (talk) 23:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)I am not sure if or where this information belongs in the article on Carnegie libraries. I asked the PEI Library Service to confirm the connection to Carnegie, and this was the response I received. I believe it is an interesting piece of the Carnegie Libraries story. "The origin of public library system within Prince Edward Island, Canada is connected with the Carnegie Corporation. In 1933, the Carnegie Corporation of New York announced its commitment to fund a three-year Regional Library Demonstration within the Province of Prince Edward Island. Based upon the Carnegie Corporation’s Canadian Library Survey, Prince Edward Island – with its population of around 90,000 and small geographical area -  was considered an ideal location to test the operation of a province-wide library system. After the initial three years of funding ended, the Provincial Government assumed responsibility for the continuation of the library service (i.e. provision of staff and materials) while local communities were responsible for providing the physical library space." CurleyQ (talk) 23:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

1901
New York Times lsitng of grants

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Not Carnegie's Invention
Carnegie did not invent open stacks, he wasn't a librarian and this misrepresents his involvement in the field. "Self-service stacks" This whole section needs sources.

As just one example you could see: Hanson, Carl A. “Access and Utility: John Cotton Dana and the Antecedents of Information Science, 1889-1929.” Libraries & Culture, vol. 29, no. 2, 1994, pp. 186–204. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/25542633. Accessed 21 June 2023.

"Various small public libraries had allowed stack access throughout much of the nineteenth century, but it was not until the 1890s that larger institutions permitted visitors to peruse books on shelves. Those who argued against access feared that users would steal books or leave them in disarray. The key breakthrough came in 1890 when William Howard Brett, the progressive director of the Cleveland Public Library, opened the stacks to public access. "

Cleveland didn't become a Carnegie Library until 20 years later in 1910. The two are unrelated. I'm not sure what point the writer is trying to prove here about the connection between Carnegie libraries and open stacks, but it's not accurate yet and needs sources. 2620:0:E50:1016:7D74:F676:C40B:A28A (talk) 19:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)