Talk:Carnival of Souls/Archive 1

Deleting "Hidden Symbolism" Section
I'm removing the section on the film's "Hidden Symbolism." It reads like somebody pasted a term paper into the article. If it were the interpretation of a notable critic, it might be okay (though it'd have to be rewritten to make clear whose view it was) but as it stands it's just some random person's view of the film, and has no place on Wikipedia.Seantrinityohara (talk) 17:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Colorization

 * Do we really need this advertisement for colorization in the External links ?Hektor 03:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think it hurts. Some people actually like colorized movies, though I dislike the process myself.


 * I think the Criteron Collection and Off-Color Films links and comments should be reinstated. These versions, especially the Criterion one, are more about the artistic than the commercial side, IMHO, and people should be made aware of the high-quality versions in light of the many others floating around. Just my $0.02 worth.

The colorized version also contains the B&W version, it also is a different print of the film, has a Mike Nelson commentary & I think it is actually worth owning both. SIckBoy 19:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Rod Serling May Have Inspired Herk Harvey
Two episodes of Rod Serling's Twilight Zone television series may have inspired Herk Harvey to create Carnival of Souls. The two episodes most likely to have had an impact on Herk Harvey had aired in January and February of 1961, within months of the time that Herk Harvey had begun filming. These two episodes were The Hitch-Hiker and Mirror Image, each drawing on an independent history already present in American folklore. The first episode dealt with the reoccurring apparition of a hitch-hiker that just wouldn't go away, reappearing to the beautiful blonde driver as she drove across the country, attempting to relocate from New York to California; the second dealt with the paranoid delusions of a beautiful blonde who believed a doppelganger from a mirror in a bus station was stealing her bus tickets, her luggage, and ultimately her identity.

A third episode,And When the Sky Was Opened (1959), deserves honorable mention when an astronaut returning to the earth discovers the identities of his fellow astronauts are being erased. After they are all gone, he looks into a mirror to see that his reflection too has disappeared, closing the show on an ominous note.

The key word is MAY, as I have stated before; Harvey has said his chief inspiration was the Saltair location itself. That said, if you can provide verifiable info it would be worth mentioning.SIckBoy 19:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Update
I added the Infobox. I also made the article a little more neutral. (Ibaranoff24 04:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC))


 * Excellent addition.

Carnival of Souls II
Is there any way you can put together an article on the sequel, Carnival of Souls II? The sequel has very little to do with the original, but there's bound to be someone that confuses one for the other. The sequel (shot some 30 years later) is supposed to have had quite a story behind all the problems it had in production, some of which must have contributed to its having two directors, each with a markedly different vision for his take on what should be the thrust of the update. Of course, that kind of thing can happen, and does happen, when a movie gets derailed somewhere in the middle of shooting, and new producers have to come on board. (And speaking of which, the director switcherooni may account for inspiring David Lynch to shoot Mulholland Drive - compare the character name of the director in Mulholland Drive to the real names of the directors of Carnival of Souls II. One was derived from the other.)


 * Thanks for adding the article on Carnival of Souls II, it looks good. But I noticed there's a scarcity of information on the second director, Ian Kessner.  If anybody knows anything about Ian Kessner, please add it to the main article.

Images
I really don't like the way the images are formatted on this page. I think that we should get rid of the two montages and the other two seperate low-quality screen captures, and replace them with a image gallery containing higher quality DVD caps. (Ibaranoff24 04:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC))

Dialogue with the Reverend after the Extended Organ Scene
The description of the dialogue with the reverend was inaccurate. I changed it. Sorry, I didn't realize that I wasn't logged in until after I completed the edit. The exact dialogue is as follows (I personally transcribed it from the film just now):

Profane, sacrilige, what are you playing in this church? Have you no respect? Do you feel no reverance? And I feel sorry for you and your lack of soul. This organ, the music of this church, these things have meaning and significance to us. I assumed they did to you. But without this awareness I'm afraid you cannot be our organist. In conscience, I must ask you to resign.

[She gathers her sheet music, "Great Organ Classics", and begins, rigidly and silently, to walk toward the steps. As she has begun to descend from the organ player's room the Reverend says:]

That does not mean that I am abandoning you nor should turn your back on the church. There is help here and I urge you to accept it.

I think that my change more accurately depicts the scene than the previous edition. Mdanziger 17:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted the POV comments
Contrary to popular belief, this film was in no way an influence on David Lynch (or Mulholland Drive), nor was it an influence on directors such as Tim Burton, or George A. Romero. Burton and Lynch's work more likely seems to have been influenced by The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, while Romero's Night of the Living Dead was largely inspired by the E.C. comic books of the 1950s. (Ibaranoff24 23:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC))

It was THE major influence on Romero's NotLD. | "Carnival of Souls" IMDb Trivia SIckBoy 19:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * IMDb isn't always a reliable source. (172.162.190.205 19:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC))

Writer Credit
The "John Clifford" link in the info box does not point to the correct John Clifford; unfortunately, I am too biscuit-assed to fix it. SIckBoy 19:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler Alert
The sentence from the opening paragraph "The basic plot is a variation of the classic Ambrose Bierce short story An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" could itself be seen as a spoiler, assuming one was familiar with the story in question. I've relocated that sentence to the opening of the Plot Summary, under the "spoiler warning" banner. Anazgnos 18:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Herk Harvey has stated several times in print & in documentary that his inspiration for the movie was the Saltair location itself. Although there are similarities between this story & the Bierce story, unless someone can cite a verifiable source I think this info is speculative at best. SIckBoy 19:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Carnivalsouls.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Trivia and alernate version
Sections for trivia and alternate versions were added without sourcing. The trivia section probably shouldn't be there at all, certainly not as a list, per WP:TRIVIA. At best, maybe some of it could be converted to prose, but I find it doubtful that anything can be retained from there. The information has been re-added three times with an anon claiming that IMDB, which is unreliable, and the DVD itself are sources. I've added cite tags and will remove again in a few weeks if no actual sourcing is added or if the list is not condensed greatly and rewritten as prose Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)