Talk:Carol Kalish

Controversy after her death
I propose returning to a more neutral point of view by removing this quote: "the Esteemed Carol Kalish proceeded to rip me to little feathered pieces like a canary caught in a lawn mower"[6] while retaining the preceding portion of the sentence: "Clearly she could divide opinions." The information on the Gary Groth "memorialization" already establishes that Carol was a somewhat controversial figure and there's no need to include an example of a postmortem personal attack against her to establish this further. It's overkill and looks like axe grinding. Wikipedia isn't the place. Let me know here if you have any concerns, otherwise I'll make the edit in a few days. Miketsu (talk) 09:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you'd done that without discussing it first I'd have reverted your change as WP:POV vandalism.
 * This _is_ a pretty neutral article as it stands. Carol Kalish was clearly disliked intensely by a significant group of people and this is a direct quote from one of them, who's himself notable in the comics world. WP:IDONTLIKEIT notwithstanding, this anti-Kalish attitude seems to be a significant aspect of her history and as a neutral encyclopedia we shouldn't censor such things.
 * If you think the quote is wrong, poorly sourced or whatever then of course that's a separate problem. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. I was not proposing removing the Gary Groth quote. He is a significant figure in the industry and your points are well made on that. I'm proposing removing the second quote, from Darren 'Doc Nebula' Madigan. He is not a significant figure in the industry and his quote contributes nothing beyond what Gary Groth's already covers.  Also, I have not been able to substantiate Madigan's opinion that Kalish was personally unpleasant in any publication beyond Madigan's own web site.  If you have other citations indicating that Madigan isn't alone in his personal (rather than professional) dislike, then it should stand.  Otherwise, I still propose removing his comment as an unencyclopedic individual opinion. Miketsu (talk) 04:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the Madigan quote, since this person is not a relevant figure : it appears from what can be found on several websites that he is a former aspirant comic-book writer who writes under several aliases about his dislike for current comics professionals, including his former friend Kurt Busiek. The link referencing the fact that other people shared his views actually pointed to another webpage written by Madigan. IMHO this guy's writings are not a serious reference. It seems that he also has a personal vendetta against Kurt Busiek, about whom he has written a lengthy web page. Quotes from this guy were added and removed in the past on the Kurt Busiek article : 1.  JJ Georges (talk) 15:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I would keep the Madigan quote, as an example of a broader anti-Kalish sentiment. This wasn't limited to one person, but the Madigan quote is the most accessible. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I won't fight over this, but just keeping the Groth article seems sufficient to me, as it is an attack on her professional behaviour. The Madigan article means nothing other than she was once allegedly rude to this specific person. If we have several other quotes establishing that various, different, relevant people found Carol Kalish to be an unbearable person, why not ? Otherwise, references to Madigan's personal case against Kurt Busiek were removed from the Busiek article (and rightly so, IMHO), so I don't see why the same kind of references should stay here. It's essentially a matter of poor sourcing. BTW, sorry, I was mistaken : the version using another Madigan website as a reference was actually this one, which was clearly problematic ("revelations of true nature" ? yeesh) JJ Georges (talk) 16:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I lightly edited the "Death and Legacy" section to remove redundant wordage (the phrase "outpouring of grief" appeared twice!) and to fix unclear writing. I still feel the section is biased and cannot understand why so much space was given to a reviewer's critique of a eulogy or why any space at all was given to said reviewer and his paid employee's critique of letters from fans and professionals who were heartbroken over the death of a young woman they liked and admired. Characterizing letters of condolence as "beatification" is a controversial statement -- but the one who is controversial here is Groth, not Kalish. Catherineyronwode (talk) 06:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Citation
Anyone know a good citation in re the cash register program and its significance to professionalizing comic book retailers? Dgabbard (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

rm Prod
I've just deleted a new prod template on this page. Looks like a bracket error broke it anyway, so apologies if I can't see who added it.

Take it to AfD by all means. However this looks like a reasonable bio of a person who had notable influence on the world of comic book marketing, a large, valuable and certainly notable business. The Groth article ref'd is certainly worth a read. Deserves more than an arbitrary prod at any rate. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Inkpot Award
Did Carol Kalish receive an Inkpot Award? Was it for attendance on the 1982 panel here? Or if awarded in 1991 (as Inkpot Award suggests), was it posthumous?

Anyone know the details? Andy Dingley (talk) 23:48, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Greeting card comics?
It would be nice if there could be an explanation of this, for those of us not that into comics. 174.91.5.196 (talk) 03:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * There was no further elaboration in the cited source as to what they were. But if you feel that that passage could use improvement, feel free to research the matter. :-) Nightscream (talk) 07:34, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

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