Talk:Carol Tavris

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Re-writing Carol Tavris' page
I think that Travis's page is lacking in information and sources and so I'm going to attempt to take a stab at rewriting it. I plan on using more current material (as well as old material). If anyone knows of great citations or has any ideas, please let me know! I would love to hear them. Just post them on the talk page and I will check back here every week.

Because it appears that this page needs a complete re-haul and rewrite, this is something that I'm going to need to do on my own space. Once I'm completely finished with the rewrite, I'll launch it so everyone can pick it apart and make any needed edits.

I plan on taking about two months to get this done. I would like to have this page rewritten by March 21st so stand by for the changes then! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurencarr24 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Re-write complete
I have finished my re-write of Carol Tavris' page. I tried to be accurate and have sources for everything I stated. However, I was unable to find a source that proved she graduated from Brandeis summa cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa. She said it, but other than her word, there is nothing written yet that I have found.

A couple other thoughts:


 * Because I haven't read her books, if anyone has any summaries or additions to make regarding her books, it might be a good idea to add them in.
 * If anyone has access to the Times Literary Supplement, perhaps you could add links to the three articles I listed. I know she wrote them, I just can't find them online.

I have no problems if others improve the page, I know I didn't read every article or interview involving Carol, so I'm sure there could be more to add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurencarr24 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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External links section moved to talk
In case there's something here that could be used as a reference or used to find references. --Ronz (talk) 18:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

See WP:EL and WP:LINKFARM concerning why such lengthy lists are not appropriate. --Ronz (talk) 23:46, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Interviews
 * Mistakes Were Made – For Good Reason (audio interview)
 * Dr. Carol Tavris: Social Psychologist, Writer, and Lecturer
 * The Measure of a Woman: An interview with social scientist Carol Tavris-Skeptic
 * Carol Tavris-Mistakes Were Made- Point of Inquiry (audio interview)
 * Carol Tavris - The Science of Sex and Gender - Point of Inquiry (audio interview)
 * The Skeptic Zone #97 - Skeptic Zone(audio interview)
 * An Interview With Carol Tavris - American Scientist
 * Interview with Carol Tavris - Ken Low from Action Studies Institute (video interview)
 * Champions of Psychological Science: Carol Tavris-Association for Psychological Science
 * Public talks
 * Articles
 * Breaking Away From the Cult Review of Final Analysis. By Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson. (October 21, 1990, NYT )
 * Interview with Dr. Frieda Tingle (October 30, 1994 - The New York Times)
 * Let's Talk About Sex Differences. Again (November 23, 2010 - The Guardian)
 * The new neurosexism Review of Delusions of Gender, by Cordelia Fine (January 26, 2011, TLS)
 * Review: Rape: A history from 1860 to the present, by Joanna Bourke (TLS; anthologized in Psychobabble and Biobunk (Third Ed., May 2011) )
 * Review: Sex and the Psyche, by Brett Kahr (TLS; anthologized in Psychobabble and Biobunk (Third Ed., May 2011) )
 * Review of The End of Men, by Hanna Rosin( September 8, 2012 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of The Book of Woe, by Gary Greenberg, and Saving Normal by Allen Frances (May 18, 2013 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of Behind the Shock Machine, by Gina Perry (September 7, 2013 - Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of The ADHD Explosion, by Stephen Hinshaw and Richard Scheffler, and ADHD Does Not Exist, by Richard Saul (March 22, 2014 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * "Lessons from the Lab: Teaching Contentious Classics: Sherif, Milgram, and Harlow revisited (based on APS lecture of May 24, 2014)” (July 16, 2014 - TLS)
 * Review of The Secret History of Wonder Woman, by Jill Lepore (October 25, 2014 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of Shrinks: The untold story of psychiatry, by Jeffrey Lieberman (March 10, 2015 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * "Lessons from the Lab: Teaching Contentious Classics: Sherif, Milgram, and Harlow revisited (based on APS lecture of May 24, 2014)” (July 16, 2014 - TLS)
 * Review of The Secret History of Wonder Woman, by Jill Lepore (October 25, 2014 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of Shrinks: The untold story of psychiatry, by Jeffrey Lieberman (March 10, 2015 - The Wall Street Journal)

Published material
The extent to which the life of the public intellectual is indeed given to public exposition of the person has been recently eliminated from the main article page.
 * The completed links to Published material in the article page prior to were:

--Laurencebeck (talk) 00:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Interviews
 * Interview with Dr. Frieda Tingle (October, 1994 - NYT)
 * Carol Tavris-Mistakes Were Made- Point of Inquiry (audio interview, August, 2007)
 * An Interview With Carol Tavris - American Scientist (September, 2007)
 * Mistakes Were Made – For Good Reason (audio interview, February, 2010)
 * The Skeptic Zone #97 - Skeptic Zone(audio interview, August, 2010)
 * The Measure of a Woman: An interview with social scientist Carol Tavris-Skeptic (February, 2011)
 * Champions of Psychological Science: Carol Tavris-Association for Psychological Science (February, 2011)
 * Carol Tavris - The Science of Sex and Gender - Point of Inquiry (audio interview, March, 2013)
 * Interview with Carol Tavris - Ken Low from Action Studies Institute (video interview, uploaded to Vimeo, May 2013)
 * Dr. Carol Tavris: Social Psychologist, Writer, and Lecturer (January, 2014)
 * Public talks
 * Articles
 * Breaking Away From the Cult Review of Final Analysis. By Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson. (October 21, 1990, NYT )
 * Deconstructing Harry Review of Harry Harlow and the Science of Affection. By Deborah Blum. (American Scientist, March 2003)
 * Let's Talk About Sex Differences. Again (November 23, 2010 - The Guardian)
 * The new neurosexism Review of Delusions of Gender, by Cordelia Fine (January 26, 2011, TLS)
 * Review: Rape: A history from 1860 to the present, by Joanna Bourke (TLS; anthologized in Psychobabble and Biobunk (Third Ed., May 2011) )
 * Review: Sex and the Psyche, by Brett Kahr (TLS; anthologized in Psychobabble and Biobunk (Third Ed., May 2011) )
 * Review of The End of Men, by Hanna Rosin (September 8, 2012 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of The Book of Woe, by Gary Greenberg, and Saving Normal by Allen Frances (May 18, 2013 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of Behind the Shock Machine, by Gina Perry (September 7, 2013 - Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of The ADHD Explosion, by Stephen Hinshaw and Richard Scheffler, and ADHD Does Not Exist, by Richard Saul (March 22, 2014 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * "Lessons from the Lab: Teaching Contentious Classics: Sherif, Milgram, and Harlow revisited (based on APS lecture of May 24, 2014)” (July 16, 2014 - TLS)
 * Review of The Secret History of Wonder Woman, by Jill Lepore (October 25, 2014 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of Shrinks: The untold story of psychiatry, by Jeffrey Lieberman (March 10, 2015 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * "Lessons from the Lab: Teaching Contentious Classics: Sherif, Milgram, and Harlow revisited (based on APS lecture of May 24, 2014)” (July 16, 2014 - TLS)
 * Review of The Secret History of Wonder Woman, by Jill Lepore (October 25, 2014 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * Review of Shrinks: The untold story of psychiatry, by Jeffrey Lieberman (March 10, 2015 - The Wall Street Journal)
 * What's your concern? Have you looked at WP:EL and WP:LINKFARM? --Ronz (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

ACLU
Despite your objections, the inclusion of the statement "As of 2014 Tavris was a member of the American Civil Liberties Union" is disputed, as it has been removed at least three times by two different editors (myself and ). Per WP:VNOTSUFF, the onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content. Here's why I don't think it should be included: it's trivia apparently based flimsily on a single primary source (and see WP:BLPPRIMARY). Unless I'm missing something, the name Carol Tavris appears only once in this annual report in a list of supporters. From this alone all we know is that someone named Carol Tavris gave an unspecified donation to the ACLU in 2014. We don't know if she was a supporter the previous year, nor the subsequent year. We can't even be sure it is the same Carol Tavris as the subject of this article (Don't build the Frankenstein) (Previous versions of the article had more blatant of original research, stating "Tavris, like her mother Dorothy, has been a lifelong member of the American Civil Liberties Union.", which certainly can not be inferred from the given source). Even if it is ascertained that it is the same Tavris, do any reliable sources connect Tavris to the ACLU in a meaningful way? If some Wikipedia editors are the only voices saying it should be mentioned, it probably shouldn't be mentioned, otherwise it's giving undue weight to minor aspects per WP:PROPORTION and WP:UNDUE. Note that Wikipedia is not everything. Please provide reliable sources that give weight and context to any mention of ACLU affiliation. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)