Talk:Caroline Kennedy/Archive 2

Bar admission
Caroline Kennedy Did Not Pass The Law Bar In Washington,D.C.,She Passed The Law Bar In New York City,New York,Where She Was Born And Raised,Please Go Back And Correct This Information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.228.92 (talk) 05:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have some evidence? Tvoz / talk 22:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The District of Columbia Bar's Web site lists her as admitted to membership in September, 1991. (If she's going to become a Senator, though, maybe she'd better pay those back dues ...) DSatz (talk) 13:53, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Semiprotection?
If the politics go into overdrive on this one, semi protection may be necessary. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 20:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Protection is only used if there's edit warring or persistent vandalism, and at this point this article needs all the edits it can get! Joshdboz (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Not a forum
No one is censoring anything - merely following policy: the talk page is not a forum for discussion of personal opinions about the subject, it is only for discussing ways to improve an article. The commentary that I removed was inappropriate for an article talk page. Please read WP:NOTFORUM for more on this. Tvoz / talk 02:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Article for history of appointment choice
For what it's worth, we don't have an obvious place to include histories of senate appointment selections such as the one for Hillary's seat. In some cases, there's almost as much drama in this as in an election (cf. Illinois for sure!) So, I've started building material in United States Senate special election in New York, 2010, since the appointment process is really the first phase of any special election. Wasted Time R (talk) 13:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I'm going to hatnote this in the senate section of this article. Joshdboz (talk) 13:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Reference style
It looks like one editor in the course of cleaning up references has also been changing all existing references from vertical style to horizontal style. Wikipedia protocol calls for either. Can we at least agree not to change existing references from vertical to horizontal, or vice versa for that matter? It seems an unecessary interference and I, for one, find the horizontal style difficult to read and to follow changes. --Crunch (talk) 23:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry - that probably was me. I guess the problem is I find the vertical layout to take up way too much space and be hard to follow and edit the article text itself. With the horizontal style you just skip ahead to after the brackets and can follow the sentence - with the vertical, especially with multiple citations at one point, it is harder to see, and therefore edit, the text which is obscured by the long citation.  Most of the articles I work on use the horizontal, so I do tend to change verticals when I see them. I'm more concerned with following the text changes that are made, so that's why I prefer the horizontal which you get used to after a while. This problem may not have a solution that will be comfortable  for all, but maybe others have an opinion.  Tvoz / talk 20:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I can work with either but tend to prefer the horizontal style because its easier to edit the text, and as the article grows in size it prevents the page from becoming extremely elongated with white-space. -- GateKeeper(X) @   22:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * what is difference between the two styles? where is discussion in wiki manual of style so i can read it?  thanks.--98.116.115.220 (talk) 16:37, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

How she was told of her father's assassination
The article in its present state (Dec. 21, 2008) says, "The day of her father's death, nanny Maude Shaw took Caroline and John Jr. from the White House (who at the time, had not been told of the incident) to the house of their maternal grandmother, Janet Lee Bouvier." Two problems: [1] The parenthetical is clearly in the wrong place, but where it belongs depends on whether John Jr. and/or Maude Shaw knew about the assassination at the time; does anyone have a reference to those facts? [2] The word "incident" seems a strangely minimal thing to call the murder of someone's father. DSatz (talk) 13:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks - fixed. Tvoz / talk 06:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Education
More details are needed about her education, not one mention of any school she went to or graduated from is on here. Joshuawilliamson 15:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please translate this question? I'm not getting what you're looking for.  We state the names of the lower schools she went to, the college and law school she graduated from.  Tvoz / talk 00:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Has she ever had a job?
I can't find in this article if she has ever had a job. Besides working for her family's charity, has she ever had a REAL job?--Panzertank (talk) 14:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Tvoz / talk 04:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Professional life organization
I put up the tag because I feel that all of this information needs to flow better - it looks more like a resumé than an encyclopedia section.--The lorax (talk) 16:39, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, how about the latest edit? Tvoz / talk 04:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

real estate ownership
"She also owns her mother's 375-acre (1.52 km2) estate known as Red Gate Farm" in addition to what? the way the current paragraph read it appears that she owns the red gate farm in addition to "owning" her children.--98.116.115.220 (talk) 16:30, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * removed "also" -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 16:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * that's a start. but i imagine she owns other real estate.  her park ave digs?   her hamptons property.   other property? jointly with hubby?  separately?  he owns those other properties?  to mention red gate by itself suggests that it her sole real estate ownership.--98.116.115.220 (talk) 16:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think it suggests that at all. Read the online ref in the article regarding her net worth. The Vineyard property is probably notable to mention - it seems to account for much of her calculated net worth. - Special-T (talk) 17:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

exact date of birth of minors?
"Tatiana Celia Kennedy Schlossberg, born May 5, 1990 in New York City, is named after Edwin Schlossberg's former colleague, lithographer Tatiana Grossman,[16] and his grandmother; and John "Jack" Bouvier Kennedy Schlossberg, born January 19, 1993 in New York City, is named after his maternal great grandfather John Vernou Bouvier III.[17]"

i thought inclusion of prescise date of birth (among other personal details) of minors was verbotten or strongly discouraged. their dates also appears in article on their father Edwin Schlossberg.--98.116.115.220 (talk) 16:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

This may be different because their births were widely publicized and are well-known already.--Gloriamarie (talk) 21:41, 25 December 2008 (UTC)