Talk:Carre's Grammar School

As of January 2009, with the re-establishment of the House system, House names Lafford and Welby have been changed to Clifford and Shelby respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.43.66.8 (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * This is unverified, highly unlikely, and so I have reverted your change and issued you with a warning.  DDStretch    (talk)  15:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Unverified addition to the Notable Alumni section
It is good that people feel there sould be some entries here, but the problem is that these additions have no verification added to them at the point of adding them. Consequently, WP:BLP applies (as they all appear to be still living), and it is recommended that prudence requires them to be removed. What I've done is added them below. Once an entry can be verified by citing a suitable reliable source, then can be struck out here, and transferred back into the main article from this discussion page. Thank you. DDStretch   (talk)  00:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I went to school with 2 of these guys and I added them because I know them. Is that sufficent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alicante22 (talk • contribs)
 * No, they won't, I'm sorry to say. As I said, what is required is verification which consists of citing reliable sources that provide the information. Now, given that I attended the school, I happen to know that the school magazine "The Old Carrensian" probably mentioned them and their achievements somewhere, and there is also the possibility of it being mentioned in local newspapers of the time, such as the Sleaford Standard and the Lincolnshire Standard. So, a specific reference to one or more of those for each person, so that others can confirm the information, is what is required. (Additionally, please try to remember to sign your messages by using ~ at the end of them.)  DDStretch    (talk)  12:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Names to be verified

 * Mark Brealey QC, leading silk in EU and Competition Law
 * Paul Holland, former professional footballer and manager with Mansfield Town, Sheffield United, Chesterfield and Bristol City and was capped four times for the England U21s.
 * Nathan Viva (formally known as Nathan Seal), professional Dance Music DJ known specifically as a leading name in the Ibiza Dance Music Scene.

School motto
This derives from medieval French and means roughly 'In Order to Serve'; or at least that's what we were told when the motto was introduced. Xyster (talk) 17:58, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

School Hierarchy concerns
The section/table is interesting to see but I have a few concerns about its presence and worth, at least in its present format.
 * 1) It is (or sets out to be) a copy of information provided on the school web site. I wonder if it should be included if it is merely a copy.
 * 2) It's not a hierarchy.  If it was, it would be arranged in some kind of order, such as the persons named in lower rows being in some way subordinate to those in the upper rows.  In a hierarchy, there might also be some kind of correlation between the persons on different columns but on the same rows. But apart from the top five names in the column "Teaching Staff", the table is arranged alphabetically.
 * 3) Lack of information. Apart from the list of Governors, there's no indication of the position, duties, etc, of any other people named on the table.  The source table on the school web site does include that information.
 * 4) Vandalism. I don't find it surprising that the table has attracted a significant amount of vandalism since it was added to the article, because students give teachers nicknames.  But the vandalism means extra work to maintain the integrity of the information.
 * 5) Updating. As of today's date, the information on the table is out of date.  Admittedly, as far as I can tell there is only one wrong name.  But who knows what will be the case in a week's time? One way to ensure the information is always up to date is merely to point to the school web site for it, and rely on the school to update its own information.
 * 6) Design. It does take up a lot of vertical space, with a lot of white space, in its present format.

Thoughts.

I wonder if the table is necessary at all. The school web site has the information, in greater detail, up to date, and not vandalized.

If the information is to be in the article, I think it should be organized to increase the readers' understanding. That might be achieved by grouping the teaching staff by department (e.g. English, Mathematics, Science, etc) with some writing that explains the curriculum. The support staff could be grouped together by function (e.g. administrative, catering, educational, janitorial etc), with an explanation of the function.

Thoughts, anybody? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purpleknees (talk • contribs) 16:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there is value, from a historical perspective, in recording the terms of office of members of the Governing Body, Teaching Staff, etc. However I'm not sure that this is the correct place for such a record, save for notable persons (such as Chairman of Governors and the Head Teacher).—GrahamSmith (talk) 17:17, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Headmasters, etc
David H Rees (the H stood for Hollingsworth, I think) was definitely headmaster in 1961, when my older brother attended the school, and remained so until around 1976 when he retired and went to live on London Road with his wife, who had also taught there (he wrote a letter to me after I had contacted him with some updates as to my university life and career and told me that he was retiring and living there). I know this doesn't count as anything like a reliable source, but it may help guide the search for reliable material confirming the dates. Ellis' book ("Charlie" we called hi,) is a very welcome source to use. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of most historical material he taught, and I thin k his books and articles would show that. It might be worth adding (so long as it is sourced), that in 1966, a new library was also opened, up to that point, it was housed in a room that was joined by a door to Big School (the old room then became the Prefect's Room). DDStretch   (talk)  01:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Dud, My recollection is that what you say became the prefect's room became, in our final year of 1971-72, more of a sixth form common room - everyone together. I shall never forget the day the Old Man kicked me out of the old library for rowdiness, with a simultaneous ban for the rest of the week - at precisely one minute to two o'clock on a Friday! The new library was built over the walkway between the new classrooms and the hall/dining hall/offices block. It is only by reading this article that I have learned that Charlie Ellis (the most inspirational teacher ever) wrote a book on the school (in 1954 for crying out loud!), and the same goes for Dago Hoare's book. Cliff (talk) 17:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi DDStretch, thanks for the info - that's very useful. I am working on the Sleaford area articles at the moment - my rather ambitious goal is to get Sleaford and each of the three schools up to GA standard; I am using The Judd School as a guide for writing school-related articles (it is an FA), but a list of headmasters seemed appropriate to add, especially given that it is referenced. I intend to find proper references for the recent headmasters to fill in the gaps, and also expand the history section considerably; Ellis seems to have put together a rather thorough history and it will probably form the bulk of reference material up to the 1950s; afterwards, newspapers will likely suffice, but that will require a lot of time to put together. I will probably find a source for the library at some point soon, it's in the period I am currently looking at. Thanks, --Noswall59 (talk) 15:29, 10 December 2014 (UTC).

Should the reference to "King's Edward's School, Retford" under Derek Lee, actually say "Retford King Edward VI Grammar School"? At the very least the apostrophe on "King's" must be wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.155.73.34 (talk) 23:03, 8 February 2020 (UTC)