Talk:Carrie Underwood/Archive 2

pic
I uploaded a better image of her Batzarro 12:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC) 3 cheers for me


 * "Better" is subjective. I liked the old one better.  The new one has her looking goofy.  Just MHO. &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 16:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It is somewhat better, I agree, but the caption is incorrect. That pic is from her "Today" show appearance, not her "winning the fourth season of American Idol" as stated. It keeps getting swtiched back to the incorrect caption. ChicagoOkie 19:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The other picture was better. --Gramaic | Talk 03:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Charts attribution
I think we should add an external link to the specific billboard charts page so we can verify it easier every time someone changes it on Wikipedia. --Kpwa gok

Listing of singles
Listing singles twice seems to be part of the classification scheme: classify by albums, and classify by singles. Seems natural to list the singles within the album section. --MegaHasher 17:23, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Platinum information on the singles are gone. -MegaHasher 05:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

A chart position of 117 is non-existent. Billboard's chart only goes up to 100 spots. A song Bubbling Under at #17 is not necessarily chart song 117 because a song that hasn't gone recurrent could theoretically drop off from, say, #95 down to #102. That song would not be listed on the Bubbling Under chart because it already charted, but it would still be ahead of Bubbling Under #17 even though it can't be seen. Therefore any chart position outside of the top 100 should not be listed and should be removed. 15:59, 24 August 2006 (Dave)

AI Performances
Is it REALLY all that important to name every single song that she performed on AI? During the competition that might have been useful - but she is really way past that now. Michigan user 18:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could put this in a seperate article? Something like...American Idol Performances by Carrie Underwood?? --  Tvaughn05 e   (Talk)  (Contribs) 00:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The performances information is often useful — it's the last look you get at an artist's range of taste and abilities before they get pigeonholed by the music industry into a small box.205.188.117.11 04:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism regarding current boyfriend.
As there are NO reputable sources stating that she is dating this "Chad" guy, it should not be included here. Additionally, the photograph of the two may be included, but shouldn't be captioned as "Carrie with boyfriend Chad Eagleton" until a reputable source can be found. I get a sneaky feeling that "Chad Eagleton" is actually the user who continuously posts the vandalism. If it keeps being posted without proper soure material, i'll report it as vandalism and the user as a vandal. Batman2005 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Using celebrity pictures without permission too, I might add. -MegaHasher 23:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I just googled "carrie underwood" AND "chad eagleton" and got 5 hits, 2 of which are duplicate/similar. This claim is a bunch of baloney/vandalism and should be treated accordingly. H e rmione1980 00:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * All sources ARE verifed in regards to the personal life section. This information was published in Oklahoma Today Newspaper. Those that are editing this section just dont want this information publish. All of which is public knowledge. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.200.116.136 (talk &bull; contribs) 05:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC).


 * Please remember that this is an encyclopedia, and an aggregate of verifiable information, not a random collection of gossip. Feel free to provide a link to any sort of actual evidence.&#160;—  The KMan  talk  05:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Exactly, I have done a google search for ANYTHING relating to Carrie Underwood and Chad Eagleton, as well as search of the Oklahoma Today website and found no verifying information. I think we should face the facts that Mia2007, NSUBOY, TXmaster and the non-registered IP user who adds the information is himself Chad Eagleton, who was fortunate enough to snap a picture with Carrie Underwood, and claims to be her boyfriend.  I also find it interesting that after TXmaster and NSUBOY were blocked from editing, Mia2007 pops up as well as this IP address which resolves to somewhere in Oklahoma start to pop up claiming the same information.  Pathetic I tell you. Batman2005 05:59, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I just removed the vandalism myself. Apparently this user has changed the "boyfriend's" name from Chad Eagleton to Drake Clark. --Gramaic | Talk 04:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the Drake Clark stuff appears to be valid, as a google search talks about them dating at one time or another. I'm of the opinion that a celebrities personal life isn't encyclopedic at all unless they are married, or there is some notable instance in which the celebrities relationship becomes public. Batman2005 04:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should just totally leave out this boyfriend thing. When it is confirmed, then it is ready to be in an encyclopedia. unless you want to point out that her boyfriend is me. =) </small) --  Tvaughn05 e   (Talk)  (Contribs) 23:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, not that I care at all, but I'm damn sure she dated Mr. Clark while a student at NSU and I'm pretty damn sure she is, or recently was, dating Mr. Eagleton.Kpwa gok 00:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * What is suspect is that the user who uploaded the photo and added the information claimed to be "Chad Eagleton" yet was able to provide no sourced proof to his claims of dating her. Furthermore there is a magazine article out there, and for the life of me i can't remember at the moment which one it was, where she said that she wasn't dating anyone and hasn't even had time to think about that kind of stuff. Batman2005 04:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with User:Batman2005,with the name "Chad Eagleton", that sounds fake, but who could it be, but don't look at me, of course!And that name sounds like one who would play rock music, with the name "Eagleton" like a manly thing "Eagle" and "Chad" and "Drake, these names are all cool-like,it be like someone to name themselves "Skull on Fire",right? And plus sometimes magazines put out fake stuff! (Trampton 16:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)).

Chad and Carrie aren't together anymore, but I know Chad and I know that they did date for a while after she won American Idol. They met at College where they both went at NSU.

Protection
The following users consistently vandalise this page with the same information. They are probably sockpuppets of eachother TXmaster, NSUBOY, Mia2007, and Memo2009. I'm protecting until admins can figure out how to deal with this continued vandalism. Batman2005 21:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

"Chad" is back, so I protected the page again. -MegaHasher 03:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Next single
"Before He Cheats" is not a single yet. "Don't Forget To Remember Me" will be a single in a week time. -MegaHasher 23:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Carrie Images
Only usable images of Carrie Underwood will probably be publicity photos. Any digitized photos from the TV are likely to be copyright violations. -MegaHasher 03:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist
If you don't like the colors, take it up with the WikiProject starter. The salmon symbolizes a solo artist and the red symbolizes country music. --User:Carie 16:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Similar Artists
Uh...isn't this an inherently POV section of the article? Clearly if you think she's similar to Martina McBride, or Tanya Tucker, or whoever....it's your OPINION, not encyclopedic fact. What are we basing this on? Musical Genre? Hair Color? Eye Color? those would all be verifiable at least. But anything else is pure opinion and should not be included. Batman2005 22:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Your comment is better directed to User talk:Bmearns/musical artists wikiproject.  Wasted Time R 22:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was about to move it there as well actually. Thanks! Batman2005 23:41, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Individual Performance Listing
I can almost see listing each and every song that was sung on AI during the competition - because AI seems to be a hugely notable passtime in America. However - we are now a year after the fact - and this detailed song performance listing is still here. It is not on any other AI alumni page. Unless someone comes back with a good reason for keeping this level of detail in this article - I will remove it in a few days. -- Triage 17:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to see it go. I thought it was a valuable source of information. I'm into marking the anniversaries of song performances (not just with Carrie, but other artists/songs as well) and I often hit this site to refer to that listing. I'd like to see it listed somewhere. If not on the Carrie page, then maybe on an AI page. --Rob 11:07, 5 April 2006


 * It's been relocated to the American Idol (Season 4) article.  Wasted Time R 15:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

RIAA Certification
While I know that it is exciting that Carrie is approaching the 3 million sales mark, in fact her label has not yet applied for formal certification. Then after that it takes 30 days for the audit to happen. Then, if everything is in order - they will update the RIAA database with the certification information http://www.riaa.com - but for right now - Carrie is only 2X certified:

Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 07/26/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 11/18/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Dig

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA P ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA G ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 01/06/06 ARISTA M (2) ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL 01 -- 66.82.9.70 15:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

According to both CMT and GACTV, Underwood's album has been certified triple platinum. This happened a few days ago. Link to CMT's article: http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1527924/04052006/underwood__carrie.jhtml  ChicagoOkie 07:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * That is just PR Spin. RIAA says that it is not yet a fact.  It is inaccurate to report that RIAA has certified something when in fact they have not.  In fact it is not possible that the certification has happened  yet because the sales did not reach that level until the last week or so, and it takes TIME to really make it happen.  When the RIAA database SAYS that it is 3X certified than you can mark it. -- 69.19.14.37 10:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Carrie is NOT yet 3x platinum, and neither is Clay Aiken. Look it up for yourselfs.  That is why the Aiken article still says 2x platinum.  --Triage 21:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * As of today Carries sales are 2,548,848 plus Hdd's count of 42,206 which is about 2,591,000. I would expect that RCA has requested a sales audit from the RIAA for Carrie, because they are very close to selling the 3 million at the rate of her current sales.  But is still takes time for it to happen.  It has not happened yet. http://www.riaa.com -- Triage 21:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)


 * So I am guessing that this IP address does not know how to check the Talk page. -- Michigan user 16:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * To the enthusiastic Carrie fans: Yes - RCA had a 3x party reported by CMT.com.  NO the RIAA has not yet granted the certification.  RCA is just jumping the gun a bit for PR reasons.  There are plenty of articles out there that talk about Clay Aiken's CD being 3x, so it is sourced, and he is a heck of a lot closer to 3 million on Soundscan than Carrie - but according to the RIAA it is just not TRUE.  And it is not yet true for Carrie either.  Give it a month or two and perhaps it WILL be true.  After all Carrie is selling much more than Aiken each week.  But for now - to say the RIAA h as certified it (when it has not) is a lie.  -- 66.82.9.70 23:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The fact is that the CD can not be certified until RCA has sold 3,000,000 to distributors (shipped 3 Million) that CAN NOT BE RETURNED . That is the problem.  Right now there are about 400,000 CDs that could potentially be returned from stores.  So RCA is just anticipating that those shipped CDs will in fact be sold.  The RIAA waits until it is a fact before it really grants the certificate. Note the Carrie still appears as 2x on the Billboard charts.  -- 66.82.9.70 23:47, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Why don't you put in a paragraph that says something like "RCA is celerating the upcoming 3x Platinum certification of Carries Album (with your source)". Then you get the message across without saying that the RIAA has certified something that they clearly say they have not.  --69.19.14.38 16:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not Wikipedia's job to document celebrations at record companies.  Wasted Time R 16:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, it is better than incorrectly stating that the RIAA has certified something that they have not, but I see your point. -- 66.82.9.62 23:52, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Billboard now shows on its site that Carrie is 3x platinum. RIAA, on the other hand, still has Carrie listed as 2x platinum. The two organizations don't always state the same thing like you were trying to say. Regardless, the RIAA information is the information that matters.ChicagoOkie 09:21, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes - well the ARTICLE says that the RIAA has certified her 3x. When the RIAA says they have done that - then the article can change - until then leave it at 2x.  If you want to ramble on about Billboard already talking about 3x make sure it is clear that it is a BILLBOARD reference - not an RIAA reference. -- 69.19.14.43 10:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Did I change it? No. Did I say that the RIAA information was the information that matters? Yes. Please quit playing RIAA Police with me and read what I have posted before telling me I'm free to ramble under your terms. ChicagoOkie 19:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Who was talking to YOU?? I was talking to the person who changed the article. They had an entire comment in there that I was responding to.  Sorry that I did not repeat it to clarify things.   -- 66.82.9.56 02:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Carrie
Good heavens that girl is cute. Sorry - just had to say that. -- BearG 00:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Same here, brother! Oh ,hey between you and me:I dream of her every night! (Trampton 10:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)).

Chad the Vandal is back
well, after quite awhile, Chad Eagleton is back to posting his immature dreams about dating Carrie Underwood. I find is hilarious that this guy keeps trying to get away with it...you'll notice that first it was the Maxim After Party, now its the Billboard Awards Party. Loser. Please delete this obvious crap if you see it. Batman2005 23:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Christian Artist
I just want to say that she also sings Christian music as is made obvious in her song called "Jesus, Take the Wheel". This should be noted in the article. --PaladinWriter 20:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why? Christian Music is most often used to refer to those artists who release entire Christian albums or specifically cater their music to the christian crowd. "Jesus Take the Wheel" is a country song and is labeled as such on her album and should be labeled as such here. Batman2005 20:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

While I agree that she is not considered a solely Christian artist, surely there must be some source speaking about her faith? I know I've read about/heard her talk about her faith before...that belongs in this article, especially since its influence can be so easily seen in her music. 24.59.126.152 22:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If she talks about her faith in an interview, or something that can be reputably cited, then it should be included. But saying that because of a certain song she is of a certain faith is original research.  I could sing a song about baked beans, but that doesn't mean I like to eat them. Batman2005 18:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

--Country music is not necessarily Christian Music

Generally, Christian Rock is oriented around hymns and praise, while Country music is meant to tackle the religious struggles of every day life at that time, but it can also be about stuff that's not religious. As they say, country music is about Saturday night and Sunday morning. Christian music would be just about Sunday morning and the Bible.

Clean Up
I cleaned up the article somewhat to Wikipedia's good article criteria (with guidance from Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken, & Taylor Hicks articles). If you find crucial information that was deleted but should be reinserted, be sure to place it under a section that relates to the fact. Thanks. User:Arual 23:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

The Anti-Kelly Clarkson
I don't think that a necessary title for Carrie. It's not a fact, and I have never heard anyone call Carrie the Anti-Kelly Clarkson. It should be deleted.

"Before He Cheats" was not the 100th #1
"Before He Cheats" was not the 100th #1 from an "American Idol" alum. The 100th #1 belongs to Kelly Clarkson, so I'm removing that statement from Carrie's page. See subhead "'BEFORE' AND AFTERMATH" at http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/chart_beat/bonus.jsp ChicagoOkie 21:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Awards table layout is screwed up
I don't know how to fix it, but it looks like someone broke the layout a few days ago

USO Show
I've removed the following paragraph from the lead section. It's in need of at least verification and copywriting:

''In December 2006, Carrie embarked to Iraq to perform at the USO concerts held for the troops overseas. This is Carrie's first international lineup of tours, and many people are praising her patriotism, courage, and humility.''


 * There is still no confirmation that she will be performing in Iraq, it's just being vaguely stated as "the Persian gulf", and specific information, until the shows actually take place, have been suppressed for security reasons. I'm not seeing any news sources confirming that these shows have already taken place, but I could be wrong.
 * Source, please, for the praise on "patriotism, courage, and humility", otherwise, that needs to go, for the use of weasel words. - NicolaM 12:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)