Talk:Carroll Baker/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cirt (talk · contribs) 07:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I will review this article. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 07:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, not GA at this time
Unfortunately, this article is not GA at this time. There is simply too much unsourced statements and POV assertions and non-neutral tone material in an article about a living person. Here are some recommendations, below, on how to improve the article. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

GA Reviewer recommendations going forward
I sincerely hope that the recommendations from the GA Review, above, will be helpful to editors in the future to further work on the Quality improvement process.

Here are my suggestions before trying for GA again:


 * 1) Address all recommendations, above, from GA Review.
 * 2) Request copy-edit at WP:GOCE
 * 3) Try to get Category:User en-N, Category:User en-5, or Category:User en-4 to copy-edit the article for writing quality and grammar.
 * 4) Go for a Peer Review. And specifically ask for help with the writing quality -- regarding POV and promotional wording concerns.
 * 5) While at Peer Review -- Post neutrally-worded-notices to the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects with a link to the Peer Review.
 * 6) While at Peer Review, try consulting for help from Peer review/volunteers from your relevant topic.

I hope that's helpful, and good luck,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:13, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I am slightly confused about the POV, especially when articles like Angelina Jolie and Reese Witherspoon use similar language ("breakthrough," "success") in headers and are still featured articles; there are numerous other featured articles where accolades such as Golden Globe and Oscar nominations are not cited at every mention. I also find it absurd that a citation for Baker's appearance in a film is required at any mention of it in the body of the article—again, looking at numerous featured articles, this does not appear to be a standard requirement (Miranda Otto, Julianne Moore). This seems like overkill and that you are grasping at straws. I also was completely unaware about the date format change in citations— years ago when I started on Wikipedia I was explicitly told not to use full dates, and was instructed to use the "yyyy-mm-dd" format.


 * To be honest, I'm finding that the nomination and review system is frustratingly arbitrary as all of the problems in the article that were listed by the previous reviewer were addressed, and now there is an entirely new list of problems that I didn't even realize were present. Theoretically, this cycle could continue perpetually if a different reviewer took up an article each time it is nominated. I also find your suggestion of getting a native English speaker to copy-edit the article for grammar odd for two reasons: one, I am a native English speaker (with a postgrad background in English, no less); and two, there are no serious (if any) grammar issues present. —Drown Soda (talk) 04:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)