Talk:Carrom/Archive 1

Spam
I have no idea what the reference to "Arun Deshpande" and his email was doing in this article, but it's directly against the guidelines: "Please do not create an article to promote yourself, a website, a product, or a business". 71.83.189.142 20:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Carrom computer games
Anybody has a computer Carrom game? I found a carrom game in a Nokia phone, called Pocket Carrom. It was nice. I want to play carrom on my computer. 71.83.189.142 20:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Caption
The caption on the picture of the two boys and nun previously read: "A Catholic nun playing carrom with underprivileged kids in India". Anyone who is: 1. white, 2. Christian, 3. an adult, and 4. wearing a habit generally has more privilege in this world (i.e.: the internet) than shirtless minors of color from the predominantly non-Christian Global South. So I changed "underprivileged kids" (here and in Wikipedia Commons) to "two children" and had them switch places with the nun for more NPOV. After all, these are human children, not goats. — Morganfitzp 04:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Please, just make edits with simple edit summaries like "Fixed caption, per WP:NPOV." Moral outrage rants on article talk pages are not useful and can even be disruptive. —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 16:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Rules section needs work
This article has a good start, but the rules section is terrible. It needs to be explained in a manner that does not use the jargon of the game. It also doesn't talk about rules of using the striker. I have no idea how real carrom (non-American) is played, and I still don't.71.83.189.142 20:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Actually this entire article needs a lot or work; most of it is unsourced.  But the rules section and using less less jargon would be a good start. —  SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 16:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

British origin of cued version?
The novuss article suggests that Britain may be the origin of carrom games being played with cue sticks instead of directly with the hands. This bears further research, as it is obviously a very important part of the history of carrom and its divergence into two styles of gameplay. I think this theory is very plausible given Britain's involvement in India, and its fondness for cue sports.— SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 17:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Chinese cued variant
Allegedly exists. Needs to be researched. — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 18:18, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Rules clarification
I realize wikipedia isn't a how-to repository, but the rules section could use a little work. I remember trying to play the American version, but have no idea how the normal version is played. Do players have to pick a side of the table to sit at and not move? Do they reposition the striker before each shot? If so, does it have to be behind a line? When flicking, can you "slide" it or do you have to "flick" it with finger nail? What does the part about not striking a c/m on the diagonal line mean? Can you only shoot in those not in your quadrent? Can you only shoot on those within the quadrent? Does play rotate clockwise around the table? Do you get to go again if you pocket a c/m? Can you hit an oppenents c/m first with the striker? What if you pocket an oppenents c/m?

These are just a few of the questions that pop up off the top of my head. Lime in the Coconut  15:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Maze and golf
I grew up in the 1960s in the San Fernando Valley, and I am surprised to find that maze carrom and golf carrom (for lack of better names) are rare. Golf was often on the back of the maze. Now that I discover these games are virtually unknown, I wonder if they were invented by the Los Angeles Unified School District. I am not saying they did, but that is where I would look.  Randall Bart    Talk   01:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

NO Not At all donot merge
I am Creating the rules secton and i dont want it to merge in anyone as the article is about laws of international carrom federation. Myself harpreet singh website owner of http://www.psca.ca.pn/. Each article have independant existence so please dont do this if u want to do this then do a thing merge artciles related to cricket in cricket game as toss is there in cricket game too.user:hpt_lucky —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 06:20, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We can't have a profusion of articles about a game when the main article on the game is not fully developed yet. Just put variants in their own sections. I think everyone will agree that the main body of this article should be about the international rules; but if this article keeps forking off into miniature articles on side topics they are going to continue to be deleted. —  SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 01:26, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Source for American carrom
- has some good material in it. Because it is provided by the major current manufacturer, it cannot be considered a reliable source (due to conflict of interest) with regard to that company or its competitors, but there is no particular reason to believe it unreliable as to the nature and general history of such boards. — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 17:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC) I played carroms in Los Angeles elementary schools from 1981 to 1984. I remember the Southern California variant very well, though we generally just played standard carroms. Along with four-square and wrist bands, it was pretty serious business. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.129.98.129 (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Novuss and carrom
Someone who knows a lot about this stuff needs to clean up the novuss article, which was written by someone who does not understand that novuss is simply another cued variant of carrom. The relationship between the two articles needs to be tightened. — SMcCandlish &#91;talk&#93; &#91;cont&#93;   ‹(-¿-)› 17:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Russian propaganda disseminated fantastic version - novus and carrom originated as Indian and Chinese. This is lie. Carrom and novuss is British origin! However novus is a unique concept British game in Latvia. Not quite like the British carrom and no similarities with British carrom176.106.173.115 (talk) 11:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Origins
The article as it currently stands give the impression that he game was created in 1988 out of whole cloth. This contradicts my own experience, having played the game as early as 1970 in the US. I believe commercial boards were available earlier than that. If copies of the sears roebuck christmas catalog can be found, they will likely show carrom boards for sale in that time frame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.58.217.18 (talk) 10:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this article is pretty terrible, and has mostly gotten worse not better over the last 7 years. I'm not sure what to do about that, given that a large percentage of the editors of it have both a language barrier issue and a point of view to promote, it seems.  It may need to be rewritten from scratch.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It has improved a bit, with the objective of play clearly stated and some clearer phrasing as to rules of play. What needs help is the longer history of the game before the federation began, perhaps a couple of sentences from one who knows and has a source, and clearer phrasing in the variations of the game from one set of rules. It would be good if there are any written sources as to who plays the variations; I have not been successful in finding online sources for those variations. If you want to rewrite completely, that is your call. But I see a structure to the article that needs shoring up with consistent phrasing and terms, and of course references.      --Prairieplant (talk) 12:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed the structure is fine. Part of the problem is over-reliance on online sources, which especially for games tend to be poor quality.  This really needs book research.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  08:17, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Name
A photograph of an older board from a century ago that was being sold on Ebay says that Carroms is a registered trademark of THE CARROM COMPANY, Ludington, Mich. There are about a half dozen dates that are somewhat too blurry to make out clearly. This agrees with my memory of the term "carroms" for the game from about 1960, give or take several years. agb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.233.167.63 (talk) 19:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC) p.s.: It had wooden rings. agb — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.233.167.63 (talk) 19:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Maze version
I have added a section on the maze version played in Southern California. I played it in elementary school in Los Angeles, in about third grade, in about 1960. My recollection is that we called it "carroms". Does anyone know what this game was actually called, who made it, or where there are pictures or other information about it? The only source I have found is searching carrom.org for the word MAZE. But mostly this just leads to people asking questions. At least we can all reassure one another that we do really remember this game! Keith Redenbaugh who lived in Canoga Park, California says that there was someone at the junior high school who was making these boards. Greg Baxter says the board was about 4 by 4 feet, which matches my recollection. It is too bad that the one commercial source in 2006 (mazegame) looks quite different and has no history information. (But they are in Placentia, California.) Someone somewhere must have one of those old carrom maze boards left! 69.87.204.133 16:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

206.170.102.200 (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)JCG: I'm glad I caught the tail end of this craze! I grew up in Orange County in the 80's and this was our favorite recess/afterschool past time! I, too, remember distinctly referring to the games as "carroms". We had the standard board with corner pockets, and we also had a maze and a golf board. I was also surprised growing up later to learn that virtually no one else knew what I was talking about - I had no idea it was such a regional creation, I remember thinking it was as commonplace as pool tables or foozeball. It was not just the school daycare who had these carrom boards, they even had them at the local public park, and at several child care centers such as Boys & Girls Club. What ever happened to these variations? 206.170.102.200 (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2010 (UTC)JCG

I also remember a carrom board game at my elementry school (Saticoy Elementry)Located in North Hollywood CA. The game was called "MAZE" This would have been between 1968 to 1974. This game was for after school. It was about 4'x4'and the carroms were solid wood. There were lots of bank shots and the first one to the center of the maze won the game

I also have been looking for one of these maze games. The closest I can find is called Castle Dungeon Maze - but the online retailers are all sold out right now. At least they still advertize the game, which is encouraging. I first saw the game in.. let's see.. 1965-ish at Palm Lane Elementary in Anaheim, CA. I wish us all luck in finding one! 69.238.162.225 (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

And I just found one! Two, actually. One (the newer one) is the game I played in the mid-60s. The other one is even older (I think). Neither are in playable condition. I am having the newer one fixed to become playable, and getting a quote on restoring the older one. I am also getting a quote on having 5 more reproductions - for those of you that are interested, please let me know. I don't know how to share photos on Wiki, so you'll need to contact me, and I can share the pics. Mikevisket (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

We used to play this maze version after school in elementary school in Marina, CA, in the mid '80s too. Possible that it migrated north. Thoughts of it pop into my head on occasion. Glad to see I'm not the only one. Playhouse76 (talk) 20:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

To widen the geographical area of this game, I played a Carom Maze type game, much like is described above in Wichita Kansas in the '70's and looking for one now led me here. 68.194.104.231 (talk) 13:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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I have come to note the advantages of carrom but I can't 106.205.239.108 (talk) 00:59, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


 * If you make the notes here then someone will try to add it. Gusfriend (talk) 02:43, 26 December 2022 (UTC)