Talk:Carrot/Archive 1

Obections?
Any objections to the newley added carrot dish picture? if u dont' like it, feel free to get rid of it. I thought Wikipeida might have needed a picture of a carrot based dish. -Unsigned i lik candy

Once upon a time: White carrots?
someone told me early carrots were white, and later men selected red varieties. Can anyone confirm it, explaining when did it happen? it seems reasonable, thinking to the wild carrot. tx achab 21:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I have seen print references (newspaper articles) claiming that oramge was a result of (nationalistically inspired) selective breeding by the Dutch in the 17th Century, before which white and purple were the main colours. However I wouldn't be able to find it to check for citations and modern newspapers are rather fond of reproducing urban myth as fact. dramatic 18:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It's true, and seedlings will over time revert to yellowish or white roots (at which point they are called Queen Anne's Lace. They also come in reds, purples, etc. SB Johnny 16:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Queen Anne's Lace is another umbellifer, related to the carrot, but it is a different species. --King Hildebrand 11:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems I was misinformed here. QAL is indeed the wild carrot, though I had always heard the name used interchangeably with cow parsley, which is another species.--King Hildebrand 12:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

General Quality
I think this article could be improved a lot. Comparing it to the article for the potato, for instance, it seems pretty amateur. TastyCakes 17:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a Wiki. Go ahead.  --King Hildebrand 11:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, this its really surprising I thought it would be more sophisticated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goblingirl2 (talk • contribs) 22:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC) I mean it doesn't even say carrots are orange. Did you know a goblins favorite food is carrot.

Someone needs to fix this sentence (near the beginning): "The specially worth mentioning factor here is that the variety of carrot found in north India is rare everywhere else except perhaps in Central Asia and other contiguous regions, and is now been growingly familiar in larger cosmopolitan cities in South India, but is not known in for example US." I would, but I can't make changes to this article. How about: "Of note, the variety of carrot found in north India and surrounding areas, is gaining familiarity in South India, but is still relatively unknown elsewhere". Why that is notable, who knows? Also, who says it is gaining popularity? Setitup (talk) 23:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Seems like someone has been having fun, could someone change the feces jokes back to what was originally there? I'd do it myself but I'm not very good with the wiki system and I don't want to screw something up. -Anon
 * It appears that someone tried to fix the vandalism....looking at the html. But, the page that I view still has the inapproptiate stuff. I have no clue how to fix it. JF

Why on Earth is this article about a pretty mundane topic such a focus for vandalism? I don't understand it. -- Dougie WII (talk) 20:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Odd that, looking at the history, the carrot page seems to consistently be vandalized severalal times a day. --24.132.148.216 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's probably because most Wikipedia editors are adolescents, who find anything that could be considered remotely phallic in appearance highly amusing. I don't have Sausage or Banana on my watch list, but even without checking them I'd be prepared to bet that those articles get plenty of vandalism. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Season
Could someone please add information about when the carrot is in season? I think that information is more appropriate than a discussion of Bugs Bunny.
 * In temperate climates, carrots are almost always in season. In climates with frost, carrots can be started before almost any crop and grown until frost becomes quite heavy. They can also be grown in winter in a glassed winter garden (a cheapo little greenhouse made from an old window and a wood box). They're a root crop, so they're pretty hardy. CaptainCarrot 06:55, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Trivia section
I don't think there should be a "trivia" section talking about the World's largest carrot. That could go in the introduction paragraph. --Munchkinguy 19:41, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Beta-carotene
Originally, the page equated beta-carotene with vitamin A which is not true. Beta-carotene is a dimer of vitamin A. Modified this. 30 Mar 2005.
 * I had to look up what a dimer was, so it might have been better to link to it. On the other hand, is it true that it is a precursor to vitamin A?  That might be more relevant from a nutritional point of view.  I'm not sure enough to put it in myself.  &mdash; Pekinensis 18:38, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a precursor, and is metabolised to Vitamin A in the body.--King Hildebrand 11:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made the suggested change. Inhumandecency 01:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

i think the part about beta carotene/vitamin A is misguiding. while beta carotene is sometimes converted to vitamin A within the body, it has its own uses by the body as well, even when not converted. furthermore, the article says that carrots "also contain antioxidants," but beta carotene is an antioxidant. so it should say, "other antioxidants." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superdupercub (talk • contribs) 17:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Suspect obscurity to justify an anti-veg reference. I thought that orange carrots were bred to celebrate the Prince of Orange as a new type of head of state, and the text lower down the page certainly says that carrots can be any color you like. If I were more expert I'd simply remove the sentence and footnote, but somebody who knows more about vitamins might do a better job Veganline (talk) 17:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nicotene in carrots?
Does anyone know if there's any truth to the idea that carrots contain some amount of nicotene, and are good for easing cravings when trying to quit smoking? I personally know one smoker who quit with the help of carrots, and there certainly seem to be a lot of refs on the web to carrot-sticks as a psychological antidote to cravings, but nothing about containing nicotene (or being proven effective at fighting cravings, for whatever reason). --Woozle 14:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * Most smokers I know claim that part of the addictive behaviour of cigarettes involves the oral fixation, meaning that they always want to have something long and slender in their mouths (dirty-minded readers, please move on without comment ;-)). My mother (an ex-smoker) often resorted to plastic coffee stir sticks and chewed on those whenever she had a strong craving.  My guess would be that carrots also serve as a similar placebo, and that they don't have any nicotine at all.  There's nothing about it on Snopes at all, which leads me to believe that it's a pretty isolated rumour, too.  I'm not a psychologist or an expert, however, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. --Jtgibson 22:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please note that nicotine is not nicotinamide. --Storkk 16:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Skirrets
The skirret article sounds like it's describing a completely different vegetable than the carrot. In fact, it has a different Latinate name, Sium sisarum. But the section on the origin of the carrot makes it sound like "skirret" is just an archaic word for "carrot". --209.108.217.226 01:09, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Found this link that has many of the same information as this page: http://www.answers.com/topic/carrot-4

Carrots good for eyes?
So according to this article it's bogus. Lots of other sources on the internet, however, say it's true that carrots are good for your eyes. Often the reason given is beta carotene being a dimer of Vitamin A. Which is true, but...uh, my knowledge of chemistry is lacking. So is it true? --Janto 19:09, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Read the reference at the bottom of the page. LACK of Vitamin A can cause POOR vision, and restoring Vitamin A to the diet can restore vision.  But large amounts of Vitamin A do not lead to super-vision, nor will eating carrots avoid the need for eyeglasses.  The idea that eating lots of carrots will improve night vision is a myth founded in WWII propaganda. Jedwards01 06:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Aaaah! OK now it makes sense. Thanks! I added some of your info to the article. --Janto 14:39, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've clarified the night vision story, as it read as if carrots do not help restore night vision. Greenman 20:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Eastern and western carrots classes
It's currently formatted as a Definition (with ;) I'd personally prefer it if they were formatted as sub headings of Cultivars heading. -- Demerzel 12:24, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge Baby carrot?
As recommended by User:No1lakersfan...
 * Oppose: the article on Baby Carrot is contrary to fact (baby carrots have been grown for hundreds of years at least), and should be simply deleted. Mention of baby carrots on this article would be a nice idea, if it includes factual information. SB Johnny 16:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Change that to no strong opinion, as the Baby Carrot article is now being improved. SB Johnny 17:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment: I think it would be relevant to note that the baby carrots sold at supermarkets are simply mature carrots pruned down to size.hacky (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Carrot juice and carrot cake have their own articles; the baby carrot is enough of a phenomenon that it should too. D e nni &#9775;  18:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with what Denni. They should certainly be a link from this article, but I think it should stand on it's own. --Falcorian (talk) 00:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Denni is right in saying that the baby carrot is enough of w phenomenon of its own. In fact, it is mostlly considered a seperate species. --Nin 15:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh-huh...

 * "But when feeding a carrot to a horse, make sure you don't grip the carrot, but lay the carrot flat in the palm of your hand. Otherwise, the horse could bite you."

Is that something we should really be including in this article? I think not. -Unsigned
 * I would put it as a footnote in an article about horses.--Filll 03:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And I did it.--Filll 03:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the place for it. It applies to feeding a horse anything by hand. --King Hildebrand 11:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Protection
Full protection of this article seems way over the top. It has not been hit much more heavily than normal recently, nor in such a manner that would require full protection over semi-protection (which I would also disagree with needing). In short, I can't see why it was applied. --Falcorian (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to second that. Further, all of the vandalism has been anonymous, so semi-protection would have stopped all of it. I also don't understand why semi-protection was only applied for a few days at a time, and then rescinded. Waitak 01:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if you're all aware that a lot of things have been happening with this article that don't show up in the History, because the vandalism has been so nasty that the relevant revisions haven't been merely reverted, but actually removed by administrators. Today I ran into a technical snag when trying to remove one of them, and AmiDaniel had to do a full protect to have the article to himself for a while, to clean up my mess. He may not even have meant to leave it fully protected, I'm not sure. Anyway, I agree that semi is all it needs, as all the serious vandalism has come from one anonymous user on different AOL IPs. I've turned it down to semi, with an explicit edit summary, and I hope other admins will be in no hurry to unprotect. Bishonen | talk 02:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC).
 * Thank you! This round of vandalism has been particularly loathsome, and I appreciate you and other admins cleaning up the mess. Blech. Hope that it stays semi-protected as long as needed. Waitak 02:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That explains that then, thank you and keep up the good work! --Falcorian (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Further Information
I have read that the "original" carrots were purple with orange middles, and that the solid orange color was the result of a breeding program to honor the House of Orange. I have also read that there are many groceries in the UK that sell these purple carrots with orange interiors. Anyone know anything about these? --Filll 19:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the article now gives sufficient description of the origins - purple or yellow, somewhere in Afghanistan, but, as is amost always the case, nobody really knows. As for UK groceries selling purple ones, I am not aware of this (and I frequent UK groceries typically once a week!).  However, orange-cored purple carrot seeds are available from many seed merchants. For example, | Thompson and Morgan. --King Hildebrand 11:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree! If the story of today's standard orange carrot having been promoted by Dutch growers in patriotic tribute to the House of Orange is true - and perhaps even if it isn't - the rumour is so pervasive and widespread that it ought not to be omitted from the History of the carrot. The origin of the various coloured carrots is one thing, but the popularization of the orange standard is another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.93.168 (talk) 20:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

What does this mean?
"garden carrots that run to seed" --Filll 17:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure exactly wherein lies the confusion, but "garden carrots" are those grown by householders for their own use in their garden (or yard in the US), and "run to seed" means those allowed to set seed. Carrots are biennials.  During their first year of growth they build up a taproot containing sugars and starches, which is what we humans like to eat.  If the carrot is not lifted, then in the second year it will use the energy stored in the root to grow a flower stalk, and set seed for future generations.  This is known as "running to seed" both in carrots and other garden vegetables. --King Hildebrand 12:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Life cycle
This article is helpful for cooking but not on the actual growth - please may someone add some infomation. --Ricardo Carneiro Pires 22:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You are free to help with the research and add material.--Filll 20:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge to Wild carrot
I suggest that because both article are about the same species (Daucus carota). --Ricardo Carneiro Pires 13:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree. Wild carrot is about the existence of the species in its ecological niche, and of its origins.  This article is about the cultivation of a human (and animal) food crop.  The species is the same, but the context is very different. --King Hildebrand 12:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The cultivated carrot has been bred from a subspecies, Daucus carota subsp. sativus. I've added this information to the article (and changed the reference to cultivated carrots in the wild carrot article).  There is a woeful lack of proper botanical authorities cited in this article, and misinformation has crept in too - I have removed rubbish about cultivated carrots 'reverting' to the wild carrot. I think the articles should remain separate, for pretty much the reasons King Hildeband gives. Jasper33 07:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Contradictory sentence
The second phrase of the article is "The edible part of a carrot is a taproot." but further in the article it says that the leaves of the carrot are indeed edible. Perhaps the phrase should be changed to "The most commonly eaten part of the carrot plant is the taproot." or something similar.24.83.178.11 10:00, 20 April 2007 (UTC)BeeCier
 * This seems to have been changed now. Carrot tops are edible, though not (to my taste) very pleasant. -King Hildebrand 12:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Carrot tops poisonous?
A local farmer (well, his wife) in my area keeps maintaining that carrot tops (the green leaves) are poisonous. Is there any truth to this?? I suspect they may have confused this fact with that of potato greens, which are indeed poisonous. --CodeGeneratR 01:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See comment above. Carrot tops are edible, though not (to my taste) very pleasant. --King Hildebrand 12:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Carrot greens are considered to be mildly toxic. I edited the article and added this reference in support. --Bobcoyote 21 Jan 2009
 * Bobcoyote -- I have found conflicting reports on the toxicity of carrot greens. From what I've read, it seems plausible that carrots greens are not actually toxic, but that they are allergenic. This is similar to peanuts, which are not toxic, but rather allergenic, and can cause allergic reactions in some people. See:


 * http://www.carrotmuseum.co.uk/recipes.html (search for "allergen" on this page)


 * More specific info on carrot allergens are found here.


 * Perhaps the source that you cited was sloppy in distinguishing between an allergen and a toxin? Does anybody have any objections to changing the sentence to say that carrot tops are allergenic? After all, they are definitely allergenic, but there is some debate on whether or not they are actually toxic. --Choogler 16 Feb 2009


 * Agreed that the citation provided was a bit loose in their definition of toxic. I've been using carrot greens in soups and sauces for years, and a brief google search lists carrot greens as an ingredient in numerous recipes, would does rather suggest that they are an allergen and not a toxin. I would recommend altering the sentence to state that carrots green can be an allergen. Possibly also remove the comment that carrot greens are rarely eaten by humans, as this is certainly not true. --Beatle2102 (talk) 23:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm new to this discussion, but I recently saw this article online claiming clearly that carrot greens were toxic, and I found this Wikipedia page when I was Googling for other info. Perhaps this info should be taken into account: schong (talk) 04:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Turnips???
Sorry - the turnip is not a close relative of the carrot. Turnips, swedes, mangels and radishes are all members of the brassica family, and are related to cabbages. Umbellifers, of which carrots and parsnips are members, include parsley, and a few other root veg. Not turnips. I'm deleting the reference. --King Hildebrand 10:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Carrot Rumor... is this true?
I heard that if you eat enough carrots, not only does your skin begin to turn orange, but you actually begin the process of physically turning into a carrot. First your skin turns orange, then your hair grows into a big tuft straight out the top of yo head, eventually turning green and leafy. Then, your legs begin to fuse together, and your legs start to look like one giant old lady leg with nicks and scratches everywhere. Something similar happens when you eat too many potatoes, but they say that starts in your ears. That's the word on the street... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.74.65.122 (talk) 05:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No. But you can turn orange. If your legs start fusing, please see your doctor or your local tabloid. You may be turning into a mermaid. Mr. Potato Head is plastic, and his condition did not stem from eating too many potatoes. If that's the word on your street, I'd strongly consider moving. --Storkk 16:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Ambiguous/Technical language
The sentence: "Massive overconsumption of carrots can cause hypercarotenemia, a condition in which the skin turns orange (although this is superior to overdose effects of vitamin A, which can cause liver damage)" uses superior in what seems to be either an ambiguous or jargon-like way. Could this be properly explained in the article, please? None of the following "normal" uses of the word seems satisfactory, but I don't know at all:
 * hypercarotenemia is less bad than liver damage, so it's "superior". If so, it's a very wrong usage of the word "superior", which almost never means "less bad".
 * you need a "superior" dosage to cause hypercarotenemia than liver damage (if so, the language seems to imply that liver damage is inhibited at these ultra-high doses)
 * orange-colored skin is closer to the skin surface ("superior" ?) than the jaundice that might be caused by liver damage -- if so, the sentence needs serious re-wording
 * some other usage of the word "superior", which if jargon, should be explained, otherwise should be reworded --Storkk 16:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As I encountered it, the language was "hypercarotenemia is less dangerous than overdose effects of vitamin A." which is, according to the hypercarotenemia article, misleading. According to that article the discoloration of the skin is the only negative impact of hypercarotenemia itself, so if that is correct then it is not dangerous at all. That article does note that some dangerous conditions can cause hypercarotenemia, but as the article is focusing on consumption, that point is interesting but the focus would have to be that over consumption of carotenoids has no known dangerous medical results, only being orange.Lotusduck (talk) 12:53, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Nutrients in carrot skin, versus overall nutrients
We often peel and then juice carrots. Recently, some one told me that the carrot skin has many nutrients that I am discarding. Is there any evidence, one way or the other, that carrot skin is different than the rest of the carrot in terms of nutritional content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.0.133 (talk) 00:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Carrot jam in Portugal?
It is stated in the "Production trends" section that: "This is because carrot jam is a Portuguese delicacy."

I am Portuguese and I had never heard of this as being a Portuguese delicacy. I certainly have never eaten in, nor anyone in my family. And since Portugal isn't a very big country, I find it hard to believe that this is a huge hype in some big area of the country without me knowing about it. Where does that information come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.43.233 (talk) 12:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * This link here supports the assertion in the article that carrots can be considered fruits under EU law because of Portuguese carrot jams. -- Dougie WII (talk) 12:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's possible that the food product is really a salsa.  Is it hot, and does it contain shredded bell peppers and cherry meat?  216.99.201.76 (talk) 05:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Forked carrots
In the description of Eastern Carrots it says they "often have branched roots". In the picture next to this sentence there is a picture and in the description it correctly says "Carrots with multiple taproots (forks) are not specific cultivars but are a byproduct of damage to earlier forks often associated with rocky soil." I think the description of eastern carrots could say "are grown to have a forked root" or something to that extent. The problem is people may think they grow that way due to it's genetics and that is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.39.133.184 (talk) 03:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Carrots a fruit?
In both the articles of Fruit and Schizocarp it is said that carrots are a fruit. A dry fruit, but a fruit. Should we believe the Carrot article or the others? This article says carrots are a root vegetable, which I agree with, but is there going to be a controversy similar to tomatoes? (Which are fruits, by the way) I think someone with more experience than me should get to the bottom of this. I would like to know since I am in the process of a 15-page long list of double-spaced fruis. Carrots-fruit? That is the question. Amywiki96 (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)<(^-^)> Good luck everyone!
 * A fruit is a part of a seeds bearing plant, the part that produces ripe seeds.  The part of the carrot plant that people eat is the root. Apples are fruits, you would not call an apple tree a fruit would you? if so then the confusion is caused by applying specific terms and grouping the entire organism under that term. Carrots are seed plants that grow from large taproots, they have schizocarpic fruits also. Hardyplants (talk) 20:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Carrots are a...
Quoted from the Carrots article itself, in the "Production Trends" section, "Carrots can be defined as a fruit as well as a vegetable." I guess I answered my own question, and I hope this proves useful to others. Amywiki96 (talk) 22:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC) <(^-^)> Always helping!
 * The orangey bit you eat is not a botanical fruit. As I understand it, carrot plants do bare fruit though, but not edible fruit.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 23:41, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you Wolfkeeper this confused me a bit but now it's cleared up. Many thanks! <(^-^)>Amywiki96 (talk) 22:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Carrots = artificial?
I found some video on youtube here: and this guy is saying a carrot is an artificial hybrid of the wild yam with the 'queen anlays' or something made in Holland. Does anyone know where this idea originated? Tyciol (talk) 08:48, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

"Horny"
I don't believe it's quite right to refer to it's "horny" shape. :-)  I believe "horn-like" would be more appropriate.

OK, I'll go back to eating my lunch now. Sca (talk) 19:17, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Apparent contradiction re dates of introduction to Europe
The article currently states both and As the second statement is the opening sentence of the "Western carrots" subsection of "Cultivars" it appears to mean that this was its first appearance in Europe/the West. Neither statement is sourced, so I've ed them both, in the hope of someone finding a source for one of them. Comments, anyone? --Yumegusa (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "The modern carrot appears to have been introduced to Europe in the 8-10th centuries"
 * "The western carrot emerged in the Netherlands in the 15th or 16th century"

The Effects of Carrot to the Bloodstream
Carrots, while commonly identified (correctly) as roots for flowers, there are many effects that we might not be aware of. For instance, the presence of the antioxidants in the carrot, which are very good for you when taken in moderation, can be very bad when mixed with the element Ti, which is common in the soil that is good for carrot growth. Actually, the presence of the specific antioxidants mixed with the element Ti creates a simple compound of its own, and while the carrot flower is taking root and growing, the compound is fermenting...sort of like how alcohol ferments within dried out fruits and vegetables... even bread (grains). Many beer and liquor breweries use carrots as a main source of the antioxidants and Ti that they need to achieve the amount of alcohol contents in their drink. In essence; if you eat too many carrots, you could basically get drunk, or at least achieve that feeling of light-headedness that alcohol gives you. This is a little explored science, but most scientists would agree that all fruits and vegetables and grains have the antioxidants and Ti that carrots posses, but few have as many and in such concentration. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.75.19.147 (talk) 04:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Genetically Altered Carrots?
The main article could be improved by adding a paragraph on genetically altered carrots.

Speaking of which, has there been any progress in making carrots that contain capsaicin, the irritant generally found in hot peppers? 216.99.201.76 (talk) 05:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC) CARROTS ARE SOOO GOOD AND HEALTHY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.25.234.205 (talk) 13:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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