Talk:Carson Beckett

There was no spirit
Carson did NOT appear to McKay as a spirit like this article states. That was McKay's mind. We already knew McKay conjures up people to help him through psychologically trying events, just like in the SGA episode "Grace Under Pressure", which itself was a sort of stylistic follow-up to the SG1 episode "Grace", here Sam Carter did the exact same thing. I lack the necessary skills to adjust this, and even if I did, it'd probably be undone.

Key Episodes
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Should the "Key Episodes" entry on the factbox now include Sunday as the character is now dead? 82.21.67.38 23:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Joe Mallozzi said he's bringing Carson back--alive and well!--to SGA in a 2-part episode in season 4! I think they should list others instead...why would someone want their death-episode to be considered their most 'important' episode? April 23, 2007

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Saltire
How come Carson Beckett has a Saltire on his uniform. Why not the UK flag. Does the UK no longer Exist in Stargate land? Is Scotland independent? Just curious.
 * I assume he just wanted it that way. Dr. Peter Grodin wore the Union Jack on his arm. LD 04:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Beckett is a civilian so probably isn't there on behalf of the British military but rather just as doctor. As such, most Scots do see themselves as Scottish before they are British so would choose to wear the Saltire rather than the Union Jack. Cosmic quest 03:25, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Stop the constant straight reverts. Checking back over the page I see I'm not the first to think this warrants mention.--Josquius 20:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If you walk around Scotland, you don't see many Union flags. You do, however, see a saltire on every flagpole. Novium 15:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Although Scotland is part of the UK it remains a nation state in its own right (the UK being a union between partner nation states)- and as such has its own national flag. There is no discrepancy with the Scottish character Carson Beckett choosing to display the Scottish national flag. In fact, its akin to making the comment that there is a discrepancy with the character John Sheppard wearing the US flag.

As a citizen of the UK, Carson Beckett could choose to display the Union Jack, the flag of the UK, or in fact both the Saltire and the Union Jack.Brianjferguson 22:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if that is the case why don't we see anyone wearing the St George's Cross? I've no problem at all with Carson wearing the Saltire but I'd like to see someone where the St George's Cross too. GracieLizzie 16:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * He's a civilian whereas most of the people wearing the Union Flag are in the military.
 * Ah, that makes sense.--GracieLizzie 00:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * and what at all does this trip down jingoism lane have to do with the wikipedia article? discuss it on a stargate fan forum, as it has absolutely no bearing on the content of this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.105.239.54 (talk) 15:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC).


 * The discussions concerns a potential factual error that was displayed prominently in the series for 3 years. It's very relevant. Robert Brockway 06:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Think it more a case the the Yanks are not very clear about the difference between the UK and Scotland (view Scotland as being like California or Texas, but with less political control. 62.56.126.228 19:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It's simple. Americans don't know what the UK is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.175.133 (talk) 19:01, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Season Four appearances
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Does anyone think perhaps the "why" of Carson appearing in Season Four is that he ascended before he died? Perhaps that would explain the ending of Sunday with McKay on the Atlantian dock. Didn't Jackson appear to O'Neil in a similar fashion after he ascended? I could totally see some sory of Carson's selfless act of saving everyone being a worthy reason for an Ancient helping him to ascend.... just like Jackson's saving everyone with from the radiation when he first ascended.... &mdash;akghetto talk 02:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It would seem possible and a great story arc if he were the first human to ascend without help. He was the first to discover and solve the ancient gene and his is very strong as seen when he uses ancient devices and it would seem an appropriate progression of the stargate series'

... um, no... you should watch the first few episodes of season 3 of NCIS... thats how Carson can be in season 4 of Atlantis... seriously... watch it... or read about it... -Xornok 02:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I wish you explained further what you mean by NCIS!

Either Carson ascended, or he really didn't die at all...many fans think that Michael kidnapped him and left a clone for Sheppard's team to rescue in 'Misbegotten'. Look at what Michael accomplished in 'Vengeance'...he likely needed Carson's knowledge in order to achieve all that. Joe Mallozzi said there's a 'clue' in a late-season 3 episode about Carson; many fans think that is the clue. April 23, 2007


 * The only problem with the clone theory is that Michael didn't have access to any type of cloning technology while on the planet in the 'Misbegotten' episode. It would have been one thing if he had the gear, but they were pretty much in the middle of the woods.
 * The clue is still there, somewhere in the last 3 episodes. CNJArtist 16:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I think that Carson ascended, with the help of an Ancient. There has been at least one ascended Ancient staying in Atlantis (Morgan Le Fey in The Pegesus Project), so who's to say that there is not another, possible one with the same ideals as Oma (the Ancient that helped Daniel Jackson ascend). The way Carson asks Rodney how it went back on Earth also lends a little support to this.

I can't see Carson being the first human to ascend naturally, i would think that Sheppard would be more liekly (if a human were to naturally) as he seems to have far better control of ancient technology than Carson. --Heruur 19:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because Sheppard has a stronger ATA gene, doesn't mean he'd have a better chance of ascending. There's nothing to imply that the ability to ascend came from the Ancient gene. After all, characters who don't possess the gene have already proved capable of ascending, like Daniel and Anubis. I know they had help, but Oma once said that anyone is capable of ascending if they open their mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.237.186 (talk) 23:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I read an article on gateworld that had an interview with one of the writers saying that he did not ascend. The Michael clue seems more likely... has anyone seen the commercials on sci-fi? In one of the commercials it shows him in a cell, saying "What took you so long?"... Hmmm...   l'aqùatique      talk   07:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Though I'm sure this probably has no use to the main Wiki article for now, but just to throw some more speculation into the hat, couldn't the Beckett that's gonna appear just be a Repli-Beckett, after all, there's a potential of a Repli-Weir now, the Asurans did stick their hand into Beckett's head during the rescue mission, which I believe was in Season 3 right? Though it's not exactly flesh and blood, considering we're throwing out ascension, alternate universe, and time travel, I don't really know of much else. -Peace Demon380 (talk) 06:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's an idea. What if the Beckett killed in Sunday was a replicator and the real Beckett is still out there somewhere. The show's producers have stated that he did not ascend and that his appearance in the upcoming episodes are neither flashbacks or alternate reality version, which leaves the possibility that he was replaced before Sunday and that it was the replicator that was blown-up. --Cnjartist (talk) 20:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I would think that if had been a replicator that was caught in an explosion, it would have been easy to tell that the remains were not human. Here's another possibility: what if Beckett was snatched out at the last moment, and replaced with a fake that was good enough to fool an autopsy? It wouldn't have to be a clone. The explosion would have left little that behind that was recognizable, and the cause of "death" would have been obvious, so the "body" may not have examined too closely. Also given that Beckett was the most qualified person to perform the autopsy, so it would have been performed by someone less qualified than himself. Another related possibility was that Beckett was snatched, and replaced at the last moment by a victim who had a superficial resemblance. The victim could have been forced to wear similar clothing, and been modified to resemble him more closely, such as having his teeth altered. That way, when they examined his dental records to identify the body it would appear to be Beckett.--RLent (talk) 17:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Descriptions
It seems a little inconsistent that the descriptions of episodes he appears in have spoilers warnings, yet the main description commits the biggest spoiler of all; what happens in "Sunday". I think the paragraph about the "event" should be integrated into the season 3 spoilers at the bottom of the article. I have moved it myself right now to avoid anyone having the show spoilt. I'm sure if this is wrong someone will undo me. -james


 * theres a spoiler warning at the very beginning of the article... if you dont want to be spoiled... stop reading... duh... -Xornok 23:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I must be a total duh because i can't see it. The first spoiler warning i found is just before the beginning of the episode descriptions, and just BELOW where it used to blurt out that important spoiler (until i just moved it). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.213.204.40 (talk) 23:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

Dark Isle?
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Was the bagpipe tune played at becketts funeral really Dark Isle? It sounded just like Scotland The Brave to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.106.204.7 (talk) 11:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Sounded like Scotland the Brave to me, too! Any bagpipe music experts about? I just wish it had been Amazing Grace...

86.133.89.157 20:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The tune played while the crew carried Carson's Coffin through the Stargate was indeed the 'Dark Island'. My Grandfather was a member of the Black Watch and he played this at many funerals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.170.117 (talk) 22:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

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I miss the bugger. He was a great characchter and one of the major reasons i watched the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.52.187 (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Sources for expansion
The following online sources may have information currently not present in the article: – sgeureka t•c 17:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/visions_of_sanctuary.shtml - Martin Gero on bringing back Beckett for "Poisoining the Well"
 * http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/hearts_in_atlantis.shtml - Interview with Jason Momoa and Paul McGillion
 * http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/taking_the_reins.shtml - Joe Mallozzi on talking about Beckett with The Province newspaper
 * http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/sophomore_stride3.shtml - Alan McCullough how much he likes McGillion and writing about Beckett
 * http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/gero_to_infinity2.shtml - Martin Gero about killing off Beckett and the recpetion fo "Sunday" among the staff
 * http://www.gateworld.net/interviews/crossroads5.shtml - Martin Gero on the fan hate of Keller in relation to Beckett's death
 * http://www.the-gateroom.com/articles/paulmcg2.html - Interview with McGillion
 * http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/paul_mcgillion_01.htm - Interview with McGillion
 * http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/paul_mcgillion_02.htm - Interview with McGillion
 * http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/paul_mcgillion_03.htm - Interview with McGillion
 * http://www.thescifiworld.net/interviews/paul_mcgillion_04.htm - Interview with McGillion
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/01/07/media-acknowledgement/ - snippets from TV Zone #211
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/02/07/paul-mcgillion-describes-leaving-atlantis/ - snippet from Starburst #347
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/02/28/pauls-home-town-takes-note/ - newspaper scan of Beckett article in Scottish newspaper
 * http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/02/amanda_tapping_.html - Joseph Mallozzi on Beckett's (then unconfirmed) death
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/03/29/more-press-coverage-and-youtube/ - list of media (TV) coverage of the pipe band
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/03/14/uk-press-unimpressed-with-sunday/ - Magazine reviews of "Sunday"
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/04/15/scottish-sunday-post-and-other-highlights/ - newspaper scan of Beckett article in the Scottish Sunday Post
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/02/22/exclusive-interview-with-paul-mcgillion/ - teaser interview with McGillion, can't presently find the real interview
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/05/14/campaign-makes-the-london-times/ - snippet in The Times
 * http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=the_scot_in_the_sky - letter by McGillion in SFX #156
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/04/08/more-today-show-evidence/ - youtube clips of the fan campaign on the Today Show
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/04/09/exclusive-carson-to-resurface-on-atlantis/ - Joe Mallozzi on the campaign and Beckett's return
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/06/22/more-press-mentions-of-the-campaign/ - various media (newspaper) mentions of the campaign
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/2007/11/22/latest-news-round-up/ - some scans from the SGA S3 Companion Guide
 * http://www.savecarsonbeckett.com/gallery/index.php?cat=7 - press scans
 * http://trekmovie.com/2008/02/22/exclusive-paul-mcgillion-talks-star-trek-and-gate/ - Interview with McGillion
 * http://popculturezoo.com/archives/622 - Interview with McGillion
 * http://craig-mcgill.com/2008/06/the-paul-mcgillion-interview/ - interview with McGillion
 * http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/june-25-2009-the-doctor-is-in-actor-paul-mcgillion-answers-your-questions/ McGillion Q&A on JM's blog -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 13:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Why Scottish flag?
Anyone know why Carson wears a Scottish flag on his armband? Given that Stargate Atlantis is set in the present day, and that Scotland is (currently at least) "just" one of the devolved states within the UK, and that no other constituent states are represented in this way, I'm surprised that this rather blatant politicising hasn't caused more controversy.... The Thieving Gypsy (talk) 07:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)