Talk:Carter-Campbell of Possil

Overkill on images
The portrait galleries seem to be overkill and to only show family members just for the sake of it. Maybe it would be more clear, and make more sense, if only the portraits of those who actually bore the arms of Carter-Campbell of Possil appear in the gallery. The tag is used when you want to link people over to media stored on the Wikimedia Commons (see WP:IG). I'd atleast transfer some of the images over, but really none of them have adequate source information. They need to show who the artist/creator/photgrapher was, or the source of where you found the image, or atleast a creation/publication date to show the copyright status. Just saying 'out of copyright' isn't enough (i'm not sure 'out of print' has anything to do with the copyright status, i doubt it though). Just from the look of the crest badges makes me doubt that they are from an out-of-copyright book.--Celtus (talk) 06:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Here is a handy template to use when you upload paintings on the Commons. For things like the artist/year/location of the painting/and other notes.--Celtus (talk) 08:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Dictionary of National Biography vol 37
There is clearly a significant reference in this volume (alphabetically in the range Masquerier - Millyng) but it is unclear from the article where it might be. Any help would be gratefully accepted. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

John Hall Maxwell is in the frame as related: his mother was a Campbell of Possil, see Maxwell, John Hall (DNB00). There is no more in the ODNB about this, though. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Major edit
I have cut some large parts of the material. There were problems with sourcing and proportionate coverage. Charles Matthews (talk) 11:10, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The article has potential to be a good article but is not yet. If you can improve it then go ahead and edit. However I would be unhappy for the article to be deleted. The majority of the article is well sourced with secondary sources, however it does not read very well, not like an encyclopedia article should.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

So I have reverted to the version of 10 January on that basis. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:15, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I think there is a serious problem: this ref, from A History of Clan Campbell: From the Restoration to the present day by Alastair Campbell, traces back "Carter-Campbell of Possil" only to 1893. That isn't definitive, but it suggests that much of the content here may be somewhat off-topic. "Campbell of Possil" goes back further, but is not the same subject. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I noticed that too. The article didn't read well because most of the text appeared to have been lifted from matriculations of coats of arms. Alastair Campbell noted that there were about 275 distinct 'Campbell' coats of arms. The heraldry of "Carter-Campbell of Possil" is an example of one such coat of arms. The "Notable bearers" section contains people who couldn't have borne the arms of "Carter-Campbell of Possil", and even lists people who demonstratively belonged to other armigerous families (like the Campbells of the Inverneill, the Campbells of Colgrain, etc). The article should be deleted IMO. There's no substance other than the family's matriculation of arms in the 19th century. Everything else is just fluff. The galleries, the other families (and their heraldry), the name dropping of distantly related people buried in the same mausoleum! The clannish "allied clans", "rival clans", and "septs" is fantasy.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Indiscrimate inclusion
In terms of WP:INDISCRIMINATE, this article continues to be very problematic, as discussed above. Major editing is required for compliance. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

While there are Burke's Landed Gentry and Armorial Families references for the family, notability seems something of a stretch. Much deleted content is Campbell of Possil, pre-1864 background. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)