Talk:Cartman Sucks

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Perhaps adding a reference to http://www.dallasobserver.com/blogs/?p=1770, a site which hits both paradies of praying the gay away, and the increased suicide rate of homosexual youth. -ssmeelink —The preceding signed but undated.

The current article is terrible, far too many quotes, looks as if it were written by a fifth grader. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Who exactly claims that the hanging kid is a reference to saddam? There was almost no similarity, other than the rope. I ask that someone with ABSOLUTE POWER looks at deleting that bullet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

This episode closly resembles a movie i saw a while back called "But i'm a cheerleader" im wondering if someone will add that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

The trivia portion mentions that the priest is 'acting like he's gay' and...if it were an act, wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the entire joke? I mean, the priest is actually gay, hence the humor of the situation, not to mention the point that Matt and Trey were driving at. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fiercefox (talk • contribs).

is a link to an illegal copy of the episode really a good idea? seems like inviting legal action against wikipedia for no good reason.142.244.31.65 23:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)kyle

Useless stuff in Trivia
Please refer to WikiProject_South_Park (specifically Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles). I will be removing useless crap like the Saddam hanging reference. --Ssault 03:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Saddam?
I tried to delete the Saddam thing, but when I went to the edit page, the line wasn't there. I agree- that's just ridiculously vague and there's nothing to tie the two deaths together besides the method. It should be taken out for good. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.56.59.115 (talk) 03:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Ted Haggard
The Flamboyantly ex-Gay Priest(He is a catholic because he wears the attire and Butter's Family is Catholic--see red hot catholic love--) is not a parody of Ted Haggard. Who has a different set of Gay Mannerisms. Actually many of the mannerisms of the Priest reflex the earlier portrayed Brian Boitano, weither this is intentional of not. More importantly Ted Haggard is getting "cured", and was reknowned for denouncing gays alltogether in his preaching, not reforming them. Most importantly for the sake of Wikipedia, there is no concrete evidence in the episode or outside it to make that (false) conclusion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.23.193.72 (talk) 08:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC). I agree that the Ted Haggard reference is a shot in the dark, I favor it's removal NeoApocalypse 12:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Crying
"Cartman twists his ears to make himself cry before going to his mother. However, he is not seen crying while talking with his mother." I'm pretty sure he was "crying" (it was overdone and clearly fake) I'm not sure what this means. -Justin —The preceding signed but undated.

I'm kind of a little iffy on the crying portion being in the trivia. With South Park episodes it doesn't take them that long to do the animation and its very easy for them to change things on short notice. There's been times in the past where commercials for new episodes don't match up exactly with the episodes and bringing up the fact that a promo picture on the website doesn't match with the episode just kind of seems rather irrelevant and not worth mentioning. - Artimus —The preceding signed but undated.


 * I think that's the most legitimate kind of trivia, because it's actually something interesting about the episode that the average person is unlikely to know unless they saw the ad. There's a trend of South Park doing this with promos, "My Future Self n' Me" was a major example. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Error
Butters was clearly awake, and standing up when they first take the picture. Then later, in the classroom, it appears that butters is asleep. Havermayer 05:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that was Cartman's response photo; not the first one. The first one was not included. The one with Butters standing up is when Cartman tries to reverse his sexuality.--Vince 07:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly the picture shown in class is butters' penis in eric's mouth. the standing up portion shown is eric's penis in butters mouth. keep you dicks straight and there is no error —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Brainwashed?
I didn't think everyone at the camp was brainwashed as the synopsis states. They seemed more "confused" to me, most likely over why they were there and the treatment they were getting, just as Butters was. Did I miss something? Hoof Hearted 12:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would they be killing themselves if they were just confused?
 * Butters didn't know why he was there because he wasn't really gay. I don't think the other kids were confused. --DrBat 20:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sadly, a lot of kids kill themselves just because they're confused. The other kids didn't really seem to be gay either (I thought that was the whole joke).  I can live with the "self-loathing" description that's in the synopsis now.  Brainwashed was simply too strong a word. Hoof Hearted 13:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Brainwashing uses different methods, like torture and sensory deprevation. I would say the camp was borderline, but it was not the focus of the episode, such as in the exploitorium episode. --24.23.193.72 08:34, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Terrible Synopsis
Unfinished sentences mixed with poor grammar are plaguing this episode's description. Factual inaccuracies like "brainwashed kids" make the whole summary worth scrapping. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * I was bold and took a shot at improving the synopsis and rewording the "brainwashed" campers section. Feel free to contribute as well.  Hoof Hearted 19:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be getting better--24.23.193.72 08:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Rolling Stone
The most recent issue, dated March 22nd, that I received yesterday, Wednesday, March 14th has a cover story on South Park. The cover shows Saddam being hanged and Cartman taking a picture of it on a camera phone: Two (perhaps) coincidences?

First, personally, the article seemed halfed-ass (rushed), yes even for Rolling Stone standards, and I received it on the day this episode aired. Second, the abovementioned Saddam-reference inclusion.

Also, In the interview Matt and Trey did claim that they intended the current season to be more controversial. And finally, in support of my first "coincidence" at the end of the article is the unedited, highly revealing dialogue between the boys of what Cartman actually did to butters--a huge leak in comparison to the commercials. Sorry, a friend is borrowing the issue right now so I can't quote anything for the article. Here is the rollingstone.com Teaser for the article.--Cory Kohn 01:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Trivia is for facts.
Words like "may" and "seems to" aren't used in factual sentences. Thus, sentences using them will be removed. Refer WikiProject_South_Park, specifically Avoid_trivia_sections_in_articles--Ssault 20:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a fact that the boardgame the boys are playing closely resembles The Game of Life, yet some dude doesn't think so... please elaborate --NeoApocalypse 12:56, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It is speculation that the boardgame the boys are playing closely resembles The Game of Life, yet some dude doesn't think so... please elaborate. Alastairward (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Father Maxi
Is it worth a reference that this marks an end to the long disappearence of Priest Maxi. He last appeared in Red Hot Catholic Love I believe.

H-O-R-S?
In the episode, when the kids are playing basketball, Stan shoots and misses, and says something like "Aw, man, I've got H-O-R-S now...".

Is it a joke I just don't get? Or is this an authentic representation of American kids' playing some type of basketball game and counting their misses with letters of a word, or something? Me being not a native English speaker, neither an American, am confused pretty much. :)

Is it something worth mentioning in the article, or is it simply something non-Americans don't get (or just me). Probably it would make a good trivia bullet.

--Szajd 21:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep. The game is called "HORSE"; for each basket made, you get one "letter". So if you've made four baskets, you have H-O-R-S. The first person to get the full word (HORSE) wins. See Variations of basketball. --Hojimachongtalk 21:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC) 21:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought geting "H-O-R-S-E" meant you lose. Hence the "aw man." Mac   OS X  22:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * you mean for each basket NOT made. it makes more sense (you want to avoid being a horse), and Stan says it after a miss.--Bahati 01:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it's been a while *walks away shyly*. --Hojimachongtalk 03:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you guys for the info. I added it as a trivia bit, please check if it makes sense. --Szajd 10:57, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Sign Your Comments
Make sure to sign all comments left on a Talk page. Also, don't delete your ip address if someone added an unsigned comment notice to your own edit.--Cory Kohn 05:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The picture is too much of a spoiler
I realize that most of the time we just have to accept that spoilers are unavoidable on Wikipedia, but maybe the top image of the article shouldn't reveal the plot twist that Cartman is showing the picture himself at show&tell. Even more so, this picture should not be the one used in the episode list page. — 84.139.61.164 13:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. What picture should be used though? I was going to suggest the image of the camp and move the current top image farther down. But one could argue that that too is a spoiler. Suggestions?--Cory Kohn 17:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I placed that baby. The picture does show the climax of the story. As for spoiler value - You don't really know what you are looking at if you haven't seen the episode yet. I have a bigger objection with the second title explaination where the picture is described --NeoApocalypse 13:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It Doesn't Add Up...
Cartman tries to get the picture so that he can photoshop it to look like kyle sucks. But he takes a print out of unchanged photo. Isn't this a goof? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Cartman could have printed out a million copies of the photo, but that WASN'T the problem. Cartman thought Kyle had a copy of the photo and would show everyone.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 00:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Gay Rehab Camp (AKA Camp New Grace)
So does anyone know if any camps like this exist?
 * Taken from Reparative therapy:


 * Exodus International, a Christian organization
 * The International Healing Foundation, a Christian organization.
 * Evergreen International, an LDS ex-gay group
 * Love In Action and Refuge, a Christian ministry
 * Parents and Friends of ExGays and Gays
 * True Freedom Trust, a Christian, ex-gay ministry based in the United Kingdom
 * JONAH, a Jewish ex-gay group
 * People Can Change
 * Courage, a Catholic ex-gay group
 * I have no idea how close these ministries are to Camp New Grace, but I suspect that South Park was satirizing their focus on faith and scripture.

Strange...
I remember watching an independent film on IFC about this cheerleader, and her parents send her to some retreat thing because they think she's a lesbian, which she isn't. But while there she ends up falling in love with another girl and realizes she's gay. I forget if the camp was to make her straight or if it was to make her come out of the closet.....pretty sure it was to turn her straight....and I also forget how it ends. I think the movie title had the word Cheerleader in it....if I remember correctly, it seems almost like this episode.... [Tyler] (talk/contribs) 09:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit: Nevermind, just saw written above "But I'm A Cheerleader" Thats the movie I saw. [Tyler] (talk/contribs) 09:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Song at the end of the episode?
What is the rock song that is played at the end of this episode (during the closing titles)? --Ukdan999 23:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Abu Gharaib
I'm not sure that the Abu Gharaib thing is what is being parodied here - other than an imbarresing sexualized photograph being found out, but then it could just as well be referencing Vanessa Williams. Can anyone provide a more solid reference about this supposed reference to Abu Ghraib?--Dudeman5685 (talk) 01:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Uncited material and other references
Cite;
 * The song Butters is humming when he is playing with his toys before Cartman enters his room, is "Help Me" by Joni Mitchell.
 * Bradley's physical appearance and mannerisms resemble Brad Dourif as Billy Bibbit from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Billy commits suicide, as Bradley nearly does.
 * The music played when Butters goes to the camp is actually the sample played in the Heroes of Might and Magic III computer game when a new week starts. Many other audio samples from this game have been used in South Park episodes.
 * The boys play a board game called Living, a spoof of the game Life.

This is merely a rehash of a plot point, if it can't go in the main plot section, why should it have its own section? Alastairward (talk) 12:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Kenny has only one line in this episode. Though it is muffled, he can clearly be heard saying "That makes you [Cartman] totally fuckin' gay!" upon seeing Cartman's penis photo. Bebe also has a brief line. Upon seeing Cartman's photo on the projecter she responds "Ew!"