Talk:Cartoon Network Studios/Archive 1

31 Jul 2004 - 4 Feb 2005
I disagree with the wholesale import coupled with name change. Hanna-Barbera represents an era and a legacy that stands by itself. It was an independent company, unlike the current status as a unit of a media conglomerate. There has been a sort of reinvention, and what's going on at Cartoon Network Studios has a much different feel. CNS, I think, is making its own lasting mark on animation, but it will be a story different from the Hanna-Barbera story. They are not two aspects of a unified story. Hence, using the articles Lionel Corporation and Lionel, LLC as a model, I propose leaving Hanna-Barbera as a separate entry covering that era, one that will probably settle into being static and historic, and maintaining Cartoon Network Studios as a dynamic, ongoing article recording the present and future activities of the company. --Gary D 04:02, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Really? I had never thought of it that way...I simply thought it was a name change. Alright, if you think it's necessary, I can help re-establish the old article, with historical continuation to the new article, and, if necessary, a restoration of the Hanna-Barbera category. - Gilgamesh 04:22, 31 July 2004 (UTC)

Actually, now that I have given more thought, I respectfully disagree. I think Hanna-Barbera evolved more smoothly into Cartoon Network Studios than you realize. I mean, look at SWAT Kats and 2 Stupid Dogs &mdash; they were released under the Hanna-Barbera brand, but far more resemble the Cartoon Network Studios brand as we recognize it today. - Gilgamesh 04:27, 31 July 2004 (UTC)


 * I really do think it is the right thing to do. The transition itself may have been smooth, but the distinction involves a larger timeframe. SK and 2SD are threshold cases, and I agree they are indeed closer in spirit to CNS than to HB, despite the name on the door at the time (they might be mentioned in both articles, under the proposed scheme). The comparison that justifies the distinction is Jonny Quest and Scooby Doo versus The Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Laboratory--they are not the products of a unified creative source. So let's think about it. Let's ask around WP for a consensus. (BTW, as to the categories, that would depend on the ease and logic of drawing lines of inclusion and exclusion around the various articles.) --Gary D 04:39, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm really not prepared to draw those lines of transition. Personally I never saw much difference, other than better quality of production materials and new writers injected into the old styles.  If one were to put the threshold cartoons under "Cartoon Network Studios", that would be a POV association because they were never published under that name.  As I've understood it, Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios are the same company under different names, with the only separating event being the deaths of both William Hanna and Joseph Barbera.  Hanna died earlier, and the name change happened only after Barbera died.  I think the evolution of styles can be discussed, but in essence it is the same company under inherited management. - Gilgamesh 04:45, 31 July 2004 (UTC)


 * The example I sometimes use is the color spectrum: if we examine the spectrum between, say, green and blue, there will be a spread of opinion about where green ends and blue begins, and there will be colors square in the middle that will be hard to call definitely green or definitely blue, but of course we would not therefore say that blue and green are the same color. Drawing the line, just about any line, always has an arbitrary feel. Here, the name change makes as much or more sense as any other dividing line. I actually think time will tell that the overarching presence of TimeWarner is what made the difference. Let's see how (or even whether) the WP group reacts to today's change. --Gary D 05:04, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * ...the same reason I never want to sit on a jury. :P I don't feel quite responsible enough to draw the line at malachite green, cyan or aquamarine. - Gilgamesh 05:20, 31 July 2004 (UTC)


 * Joseph Barbera passed away? Isn't he still alive? Wasn't he also somewhat frustrated with how Warner Brothers treated his studio? Then again I'm not an expert. Aoi 08:37, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Joseph Barbera is alive and well. The name-change occured after William Hanna died. --b. Touch 15:23, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * That's good to hear. Aoi 07:09, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hanna_Barbera closing
I was the one to say that Hanna-Barbera sold the studio in 1997 to WB, Hanna and Barbera closed the studio in 1997, it was fact but someone kept erasing the data I wrote down...Edwardadrian


 * Because it's not true. Hanna and Barbera sold the studio to Turner Entertainment in 1991. Turner in turn merged with Time Warner in 1997. The Hanna-Barbera name was kept alive as an active part of the Warner Bros. corporate tree until Hanna died in 2001. --b. Touch 18:17, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I removed this:


 * (What's New Scooby-Doo? marks the latest series the franchise had made since premiering in 1969 and continuing with new Saturday morning shows throughout the '70s, the '80s, and the '90s)

it's already mentioned on the Scooby-Doo page, where it belongs. --b. Touch 17:56, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Re: Notable Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network Studios productions
Please do not add more names to this list (if anything, subtract some). The purpose of the list is to present a summarized listing of the most important cartoon series that Hanna-Barbera as made; the full, extended list is in the subarticle. If anyone can help in trimming the list down more instead of building it up, that would be a much better idea. --FuriousFreddy 01:14, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Split?
After some time and more research, I'm starting to think that perhaps a split would be correct. Cartoon Network Studios is essentially a spinoff of the original Hanna-Barbera Studio, which was absorbed into Warner Bros. Animation. Thoughts? --FuriousFreddy 13:12, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. Hanna-Barbera is a name of value and Cartoon Network Studios is a whole different (if associated) animal.  They need separate listings.Rhindle The Red 23:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network
I think the name Hanna Barbera Cartoons should only be used as a name and also for television for only those by Hanna-Barbera and Cartoon Network Studios for only those by the Cartoon Network originals. Matter of fact, I think that Hanna-Barbera should've been owned by NBC Universal, because Universal Studios was doing so good before Turner bought the company in 1992. King Shadeed 22:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Not CNS productions
I removed these series from the section "List of Cartoon Network Studios productions", with reason.

These are indipendent production for Cartoon Network. CNS has nothing to do with these productions:
 * Cow and Chicken (1997) produced by Hanna-Barbera
 * I Am Weasel (1997) produced by Hanna-Barbera
 * Ed, Edd n Eddy (1999) produced by a.k.a. Cartoon
 * Courage the Cowardly Dog (1999) produced by Stretch Films
 * Mike, Lu & Og (2000) produced by Kinofilm
 * Sheep in the Big City (2000) produced by Curious Pictures
 * Codename: Kids Next Door (2002) produced by Curious Pictures
 * The Secret Saturdays (2008) produced by PorchLight Entertainment

--성혀니talk with mesee my work 10:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Does Korgoth really belong here? I can't seem to find a reference for the CNS/Williams St teaming mentioned here, and Korgoth is an Adult Swim show unlike all the rest listed. Hierophany 03:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Do they still animate the shows in the traditional manner with cels vs computer?

Storm Hawks
It's not produced by Cartoon Network Studios. It doesn't have the Cartoon Network Logo at the end of it, only for Nerd Corps and for something else like YTV or something. But either way it's not produced by Cartoon Network Studios. 24.186.101.182 19:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Teen Titans in this Article?
Teen Titans isn't a Cartoon Network Studios original. Its Warner Brothers Animation. So I don't think it should be in there. --Lamborghini man (talk) 16:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Shorts section
Why can not I add information about Harvey Birman and shorts section? This article is about Cartoon Network Studios, so I thought that filmography should be complete. 83.29.142.250 (talk) 15:44, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law
Why was Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law removed from the list? Even thought it is an Adult Swim original series and not a Cartoon Network original series, it is produced by Cartoon Network Studios. It can be seen in the credits, for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8gebiu-CmA--95.111.52.14 (talk) 12:46, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Guys
I added the original logo item, PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE BOYS.--OliverDF (talk) 04:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not a boy. I did remove a bunch of unverified and other trivial information from the article. Please consider that this is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. Thank you. Also, "PLEASE do not do vandalism"? Drmies (talk) 17:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi & Robotomy
The two animated series Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi and Robotomy are produced by Cartoon Network Studios, but as "external". In their closing credits, the studios logo don't appeared but there are the executive producers from the studios: Brian A. Miller and Jennifer Pelphrey. The official sources (for the ending credits) are:

Luigi1090 (talk)
 * Robotomy - Credits (for Robotomy);
 * Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi - Credits (for Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi).


 * Hi, I reverted your addition to the main article because your edit summary and the above comment don't make sense to me. What do you mean by "external"?  And how does the lack of studio logos imply that the show was produced elsewhere?  That sounds like your personal interpretation.  I think we need better sources.  Also, I doubt that website is the "official source" for ending credits.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cyphoidbomb, the shows Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi & Robotomy are really produced by Cartoon Network Studios. For "external", I meant that these two animated series seem to have been produced by a unique production company (for example Robotomy was only produced by World Leaders Entertainment), but if you look more closely at their closing credits in those two sources, you'll notice that Cartoon Network Studios officially held in them its production activities (but in secondary mode). Finally, in those two shows during their closing credits, are mentioned only the two executive producer for the studios (Brian A. Miller and Jennifer Pelphrey). Luigi1090 (talk)
 * Hi Luigi, it's still not clear to me what you are trying to say. If the show credits don't list Cartoon Network Studios as a production company, doesn't that imply that Cartoon Network Studios did not "produce" the show?  It's not uncommon in television for an independent production company to "produce" a show and then sell it a network.  How does a lack of a credit prove that Cartoon Network produced the show?  You might be correct, but it seems that we need another reference on this.  Or maybe a better explanation from you, in case I'm missing something.  Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Cartoon Network Studios DID produce Cow and Chicken, I. M. Weasel, Ego Trip, and a few others
Cartoon Network Studios was founded in 1994 as a division of Hanna-Barbera and was later spun-off in 2001 after Bill Hanna died, and Cartoon Network Studios co-produced ''The What-a-Cartoon! Show, Dexter's Laboratory, Johnny Bravo, Cow and Chicken, I. M. Weasel, and The Powerpuff Girls''. Even though most of the Cartoon Network Studios cartoons up until 2001 used the Hanna-Barbera label (it was a division of H-B at the time), a few WAC! shorts and season 1 of Dexter's Laboratory used the Cartoon Network Studios label.71.95.53.89 (talk) 23:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi 71.95.53.89. I read your message and I "partially" with you. Note that in some animated series that you listed, if you look carefully at their TV closing credits, Cartoon Network Studios is not entirely involved in their development. Here are their link to try to understand you what I mean:


 * Cow and Chicken: (Season 1),  (Season 2-4);
 * I Am Weasel: ;
 * Dexter's Laboratory: Ego Trip: (Final part only)
 * "H-B's independent pilots": (Thrillseeker),  (Foe Paws),  (King Crab: Space Crustacean),  (Billy & Mandy: Meet the Reaper),  (Uncle Gus).

Luigi1090 (talk)

Logo evolution
In this edit IP 112.198.77.83 added content about the evolution of CN logos, which I removed because it was unsourced and contained problematic grammar. My removal of this content was reverted by in this edit. I'm not sure what the rationale is, but I'm hoping Luigi will fill me in, otherwise, I will remove the content again. From what I can tell, even if sourced there's no clear indication of the significance of these changes. Companies change logos without it ever being a big deal. Why do we care? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi Cyphoidbomb. I reinserted in the article this section only for a more accurate description, because as you know, that previous user (112.198.77.83) had created with "problematic grammar". Finally, I put all logos are from the Russian (Български) version of the page. Luigi1090 (talk) 11:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, the problematic grammar was the least of the problems. The content makes assertions that are unsourced (and I am skeptical it could ever be properly sourced without relying solely on original research). Further, there is no obvious encyclopedic value to this information, since there is no reliable context to explain why we should care about these changes. So unless you intend to address these points, I think the content should be cut. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:56, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 March 2015
Star Universe

DenzilFoster3000 (talk) 06:05, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ - What's the request? Grayfell (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Re-Animated
The 2006 TV movie Re-Animated, while being the first Cartoon Network's live-action/animated original movie, officially was not produced by Cartoon Network Studios. On its closing credits, there are only the "Special Thanks" from the people who work in the main station (including the former president Jim Samples). 

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Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins
For the 2009 movie, titled Scooby-Doo! The Mystery Begins, Cartoon Network Studios really wasn't involved in its production. This because:


 * 1) There are absolutely NONE official sources on the Web that confirm about it;
 * 2) The "Cartoon Network Original" that you see in this link, means that it was acquired/owned/trademarked by "The Cartoon Network, Inc.", and only the main channel can broadcast exclusively.

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Butch Hartman is reviving "Dynamice!" for his new project called Oaxis.
"The Fairly OddParents" creator Butch Hartman has announced on his YouTube channel that his failed Cartoon Network Studios pilot, "Dynamice!", is being revived by him for Oaxis, an upcoming SVOD service made by Butch that is currently in Kickstarter phase. Can someone edit the article to add these new details? Elijah Abrams (talk) 23:38, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Where's Trick Moon?
In the article section known as "Failed Pilots", Trick Moon isn't even mentioned there, even though the pilot was rejected by the network! The "failed pilots" section also fails to mention the 2020's decade. Speaking of Trick Moon, who wouldn't have thought that a wolf prince getting trapped in a moonstone and letting his brother and sister do all the action for him would be a great idea for a television series. This really should've been the next big thing for Cartoon Network. The only option left is to pitch it to Disney Television Animation or Netflix Animation. ShredzTyro12 (talk) 21:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Split productions
The production tables are becoming very long for a single article. I think it should be a separate article now. Tiled: List of Cartoon Network Studios productions. MegaSmike46 (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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