Talk:Cartoonist

First cartoonist
Historically, is there consensus that the first cartoonist (in terms of use of the word) was John Leech? --BozMotalk 11:21, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Comic strip in caption
Copy the image, blow it up, and you'll see that it's Mark Trail (though whether that's the strip's cartoonist, Ed Dodd, I cannot tell). Interestingly, this PD U.S.-government image comes from the US Fish and Wildlife Service; the character Mark Trail has appeared in a number of children's educational publications by that agency. — Tenebrae 20:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

external links...
Is the link to an "example of freelance cartoonist website" really adequate? Is not it just a sort of free advertisement, opening precedent to using wikipedia as if it was a telephonic list, i.e, adding things like "another freelance cartoonist website", "yet another", and links to pharmacies in medicine related articles, etc? I think that if the reader wants to look for a generic freelance cartoonist website or whatever, he can easily use an search engine, without needing a link to a specific site.--Extremophile 23:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed it, and added a few more links, mainly to other national cartoonist societies, although also one or two resources for scholars too. Hiding Talk 13:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the link to StickDeath.com in the main article is an advertisement. But as am not sure I didn't mess with it. Somebody please do the needful. Kalhans 2nd april 2007

internal links
I added a "See Also" of some relevant pages (Comic book creator, Webcomic, Women in comics). Artemis-Arethusa 15:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Merged Comic Strip Creator
There was a request for merging since December 2006, so I merged Comic Strip Creator into this page, adding about 2 paragraphs of information. --Jackson 01:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Manga where?
From a western viewpoint, manga is a form or cartoon (comic) just as anime is a form of animation (from a western viewpoint). But this article doesn't mention manga at all, only mangaka at the "see also" section. I know this article is about the western type of cartoons/comics and their artists, but since japanese comics are indeed comics, they should be mentioned here. They even have the counterpart of the traditional single comic strips (like Garfield) of newspapers: 4koma or "four panel" gag comics (like Lucky Star). --Rev L. Snowfox (talk) 12:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Updated Suggested Edits
Leading Section: seems clear and without any missing information. There aren't any sources in the leading section. The third paragraph also includes no source information.

West History: Needs more information added to describe context.

Comics: Needs much more information added to the descriptions.

Creation: Makes claims without sources, seems anecdotal in nature, and sparse.

Types of animation: needs sources

Tools: Needs sources

Tone of entire article is not an informational tone. The sourcing and information give the article a western bias, comprimising neutrality.

The sources are not always reliable, and some are out of orders. Update the links, relies too heavily on blogs, from one area, and lacks variety in the areas of interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagropp (talk • contribs) 19:16, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I agree that there needs to be more references in this article. The sources that are used are questionable in reliability. Most are websites, the one book referenced has a link but you must purchase to check the source. The 2 sections you mentioned Creation and Types of Animation have no sources and the bulk of the history section is lacking citations. The British Museum link is dead and although the lead section mentions many types of cartoonist the article over represents comics and animation with no sections or information on other types of cartoonist. I think this article needs more information on other cartoonist and better sources for the information present. Earth sunshine goddess (talk) 18:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Cartoonist suggestions
The page Cartoonist displays sufficient material content in the lead section, the only suggestion I can add to this is that it could be broken into more sentences rather than the really long last sentence with multiple commas. It seems to be balanced well and has the appropriate header style running through it. The article has images that relate to the material in it, and the links work well. The coverage is neutrally based and the reference list looks to be reliable. Overall it seems to be a well written article other than a few long sentences that could be broken down into shorter ones. --Lchollingsworth (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


 * TOOLS Topic The 16 essential tools for artists reference link is for a Blog which is not an academic or scholarly source. It could be just a reference for a picture, although the information under Tools doesn't seem to have any source for the information under this topic.Trucksurgeon (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Edits to page
Overall the page is very well written, the hyperlinks all work and highlight important mentions throughout the page. The page is well formatted and structured. The only issues are that the "Tools" header should also feature the line under it like the other titles. Also the "In the West" subsection should be followed by information from outside the West to complete the history section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajaniskt (talk • contribs) 20:20, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Fixes Within Page
1) Under History section, there doesn't need to be a "West" subsection because there is no other region involved.

2) Works Cited page should be combined with the Reference Page

3) In the sections "Types of animation" and "Art styles" capitalize the second/third word.

4) Tools needs the heading format

5) Move the further reading either to the article or reference page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.206.191.68 (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
I'm disappointed that no one replied at the time, but these comments are appreciated. I agree that the article is very uneven and inconsistent, and I've started doing some work on it. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:22, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Merge Cartoonist and Comics artist
These two articles are essentially the same topic. I've suggested that comics artist be merged into cartoonist, because not all cartoonists draw comics, but all artists who make comics are cartoonists. While some comics artists might bristle at that term (not a fan of it myself), that's the occupational term that's widely used, and the style of the art doesn't make it a different occupation. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Any input on this? These two terms are synonyms, and having two articles taking different angles on the same topic is redundant. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 12:58, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The key may be two different angles, and the differences between the two topics may be enough to keep them seperate. Haven't looked at the two pages closely enough, but both seem to have good material, and the key to a merge is for all the pertinent material to survive. Can this be done here without diluting data? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:40, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see this edit that clarifies things up. This editor's addition is backed up by at least one source which I've just added to the relevant section. --Omnipaedista (talk) 16:28, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Uncited material in need of citations
I am moving the following uncited material here until it can be properly supported with inline citations of reliable, secondary sources, per WP:V, WP:CS, WP:IRS, WP:PSTS, WP:BLP, WP:NOR, et al. This diff shows where it was in the article. Nightscream (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

History
During the 20th century, numerous magazines carried single-panel gag cartoons by such freelance cartoonists as Charles Addams, Irwin Caplan, Chon Day, Clyde Lamb, and John Norment. These were almost always published in black and white, although Collier's often carried cartoons in color. The debut of Playboy introduced full-page color cartoons by Jack Cole, Eldon Dedini, Roy Raymonde and others. Single-panel cartoonists syndicated to newspapers included Dave Breger, Hank Ketcham, George Lichty, Fred Neher, Irving Phillips, and J. R. Williams.

Comic strips
...including the Universal Press Syndicate, United Media, or King Features. Sunday strips go to a coloring company such as American Color before they are published. Some comic strip creators publish in the alternative press or on the Internet. Both vintage and current strips receive reprints in book collections.

Within the comic strip format, it is typical for one creator to produce the whole strip. However, it is also not uncommon for the writing of the strip and the drawing of the art to be carried out by two different people, a writer and an artist (with or without additional assistant artists). In some cases, one artist might draw key figures while another does only backgrounds.

Comic books
Books of cartoons are available in both paperback and hardcover, such as the collections of cartoons from The New Yorker. Prior to the 1960s, cartoons were mostly ignored by museums and art galleries. In 1968, the cartoonist and comedian Roger Price opened the first New York City gallery devoted exclusively to cartoons, mainly work by the leading magazine gag cartoonists. Today, there are several museums devoted to cartoons, notably the Billy Ireland Cartoon Library & Museum, run by curator Jenny E. Robb at Ohio State University.

With regards to the comic book format, the work can be split in many different ways. The writing and the creation of the art can be split between two people, an example being From Hell, which was written by Alan Moore and drawn by Eddie Campbell. The writing of a comic book story can sometimes be shared between two people, with one person writing the plot and another the script.

The artistic work is often subdivided, especially on work produced for the larger comic book publishers, with four people typically working on the art: a penciller, an inker, a colorist, and a letterer. Sometimes this combination of four artists is augmented by a fifth, a breakdown artist. However, this generally occurs only when an artist fails to meet a deadline or when a writer, sometimes referred to as a scripter, produces breakdown art. Breakdown art is where the story has been laid out very roughly in pencils to indicate panel layouts and character positions within panels but with no details. Such roughs are sometimes referred to as "layouts."

The norm of four artists is sometimes reduced to three if the penciller also inks his own work, usually being credited within the book as a penciller/inker. John Byrne and Walt Simonson are artists who have, on occasion, inked their own work.

These roles are highly interchangeable, and many artists can fulfill different roles. Stan Sakai is a highly regarded letterer of comic books who also creates his own series, Usagi Yojimbo. Producing his autobiographical works, Eddie Campbell has created both scripts and art, plus teaming with his daughter on the coloring. On Cerebus, for the majority of the run, Dave Sim created everything except the backgrounds, which were drawn by Gerhard.

Web cartoonist
Many artists have used the web since its inception to publish their works online. This eventually led to the creation of webcomics thanks in part to many titles being able to be read for free and anyone being able to publish them. Many of the artists who create these webcomics are known as web cartoonists due to the fact that the vast majority of webcomics are considered to be online versions of comic-strips and cartoons rather than full-fledged comic books like digital comics. It is hard to pinpoint when the actual term was created but the earliest use was 2001 with the Web Cartoonists' Choice Awards. Some well known web cartoonists include Randall Munroe of xkcd, Jeph Jacques of Questionable Content and Jerry Holkins and Mike Krahulik of Penny Arcade.

Creation
Comics artists usually sketch a drawing in pencil before going over the drawing in India ink, using either a dip pen or a brush. Artists may also use a lightbox to create the final image in ink. Some artists, Brian Bolland, for example, use computer graphics, with the published work as the first physical appearance of the artwork. By many definitions (including McCloud's, above), the definition of comics extends to digital media such as webcomics and the mobile comic.

The nature of the comics work being created determines the number of people who work on its creation, with successful comic strips and comic books being produced through a studio system, in which an artist assembles a team of assistants to help create the work. However, works from independent companies, self-publishers, or those of a more personal nature can be produced by a single creator.

Within the comic book industry of North America, the studio system has come to be the main method of creation. Through its use by the industry, the roles have become heavily codified, and the managing of the studio has become the company's responsibility, with an editor discharging the management duties. The editor assembles a number of creators and oversees the work to publication.

Any number of people can assist in the creation of a comic book in this way, from a plotter, a breakdown artist, a penciller, an inker, a scripter, a letterer, and a colorist, with some roles being performed by the same person.

In contrast, a comic strip tends to be the work of a sole creator, usually termed a cartoonist. However, it is not unusual for a cartoonist to employ the studio method, particularly when a strip becomes successful. Mort Walker employed a studio, while Bill Watterson and Charles Schulz did not. Gag, political, and editorial cartoonists tend to work alone as well, though a cartoonist may use assistants.

Tools
When inking, many artists preferred to use a Winsor & Newton Series 7, #3 brush as the main tool, which could be used in conjunction with other brushes, dip pens, a fountain pen, and/or a variety of technical pens or markers. Mechanical tints can be employed to add grey tone to an image. An artist might paint with acrylics, gouache, poster paints, or watercolors. Color can also be achieved through crayons, pastels or colored pencils.

Eraser, rulers, templates, set squares and a T-square assist in creating lines and shapes. A drawing table provides an angled work surface with lamps sometimes attached to the table. A lightbox allows an artist to trace his pencil work when inking, allowing for a looser finish. Knives and scalpels fill a variety of needs, including cutting board or scraping off mistakes. A cutting mat aids paper trimming. Process white is a thick opaque white material for covering mistakes. Adhesives and tapes help composite an image from different sources.