Talk:Carver (Nip/Tuck)

The Carver
While I can certainly appreciate the "profiling" approach of the (04:12, 6 December 2005 69.167.72.45) re-format of the page, I think there's way too much speculation in this new edit. "Assuming the writers are 'playing fair'" is my main issue. There is no reason to assume this, there is no reason to assume that any of Murphy's press statements will turn out true OR be red herrings. I would recommend a revert back to the old version of this page. While less "profile-centric", I feel it was a more objective approach.

Then again, since we'll find out who The Carver is in a few weeks, maybe it doesn't really matter since all this will most likely change. Brian 68.7.47.6 21:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I did some cleanup on this page and removed everything speculative. Someone else can check over my work and make sure that it only contains facts.  I don't think we should put too much time into this page because in a few weeks we're going to find out who The Carver is. Jtrost 22:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks jtrost!! Your edit was near perfect!  I did some editing, removed references to "his" or "he", and added a couple new factual items in there.  (can be male/female with source, the carver's signature attack method, etc.)  Brian 68.7.47.6 00:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not totally sure but I'm pretty certain that the sentence in the contents box where it says "Correct guesses and a premature reveal" is not standard English. Shouldn't it be "revealing" or "revelation". Those are my suggestions and I would also like explanation as to why, if revelation doesn't fit as a possible synonym why it can't be a mot juste, in that particular context.

"the Carver" or "The Carver?"
When an article such as the is used as part of a proper name (The Carver), should it be capitalized? We need to remain constant throughout the article. Not counting instances in which "The Carver" is the first phrase in a sentence, I counted 26 instances of it being capitalized and 3 instances of it being lowercase. Given, that isn't much of a significant difference, but I still feel we should choose one or the other. Jeff Silvers 02:33, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * A consitent "The Carver" would be preferable. It's typically treated as a title, both on the show and in forum speculation. [Thucydides]
 * Done and done. Jeff Silvers 04:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The character refers to himself as "the Carver" in his Myspace. That, with the fact that Wikipedia policy has it that article titles don't have indefinite articles in the beginning (see: Joker (comics)) if it isn't a title of a work make me very inclined to change this article accordingly. '  13:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * In this case, the policy is that article titles don't have any articles in the beginning. In the case of the Joker, and the Carver, both omit the definite article (the) rather than the indefinite article (a/an). I know I'm responding to a WAY old comment, but I really am that pedantic. --Puellanivis (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Quotes section
Should the quotes section include quotes from the Myspace videos, or should it remain restricted to the show (as it appears to be now)? I personally think that the videos help develop the character (albeit they accomplish this by breaking the fourth wall) and should be included, but I wanted to get some opinions before I wasted my time making edits that were going to be reverted anyway. Jeff Silvers 10:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * If you're going to add MySpace quotes, then I'd recommend splitting the quotes into Quotes from the Show and Quotes from The Carver's MySpace.

Major changes
Now that The Carver's identities are known, this page probably needs a facelift. First of all, I don't think the hints and clues section should be removed, though it probably needs to be changed to reflect the fact that we already know who The Carver is now. What does everybody else think about this? Jeff Silvers 05:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and also, we now have two sections titled "The unmasking," apparently. One was written primarily by me and the other was written by somebody else.  The one I didn't write is more informative and should probably be kept over mine, though it needs to be rewritten. Jeff Silvers 05:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Various Problems w/ "The Unmasking"
"It should be noted that the Carver's identity was correctly revealed by tech savy audio-files. By sampling the Carver's voice, they were able to filter out most of the synthetic speed portions and identify the Carver's identity months ago. Drama writers in the future will have to remain one step up on the technical community. "

This is full of spelling errors, but instead of fixing them, I think this needs a re-write. It's been sort of an open secret for a long time that Bruno Campos was, at the very least, voicing The Carver, and other shows have done similar things to throw people off.

"In addition, the above picture of Quentin and Kit wielding the Carver's tademark paraphanalia, along with several other equally incriminating pictures, had been available for quite some time prior to the season finale and the Carver's official unmasking. Most people who saw these pictures considered them a fairly definitive revalation of the Carver's true identity."

As far as I know, the pictures went up the day before the episode aired, not "quite some time," and were deleted within a few hours of being posted on various forums. --David Bix 06:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Carver unmasked in season 2
From the article:
 * In season 2, we see an unmasked Carver. It's shadowy, but the person we see is clearly not Quentin.

Does anybody know where a screencap of this could be found? I imagine it would be really useful in the article (plus I'm curious to see it myself, as I don't remember The Carver ever being shown sans mask in the second season). Jeff Silvers 20:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * This was my submission, and I don't have a screenshot (although I remember the moment). However, my memory doesn't mean anything so unless somebody else can back it up (or provide a screenshot) we can delete it. --MisterHand 20:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Pulse
"# How did Quentin's "body" get all the way to the morgue without a doctor or paramedic ever checking for a pulse?"

If I remember correctly, Kit stated that he be taken directly to the morgue. If anybody has a recording of this episode, please verify this.

Article title
Why was this article moved from The Carver to Carver (Nip/Tuck)? Nothing else significant enough to have a Wikipedia article is called "The Carver" (as evidenced by the fact that The Carver, rather than being a disambig page, just redirects to this article). There's no need for the (Nip/Tuck) bit in the name. Unless somebody objects, I'm ready to move this page back to The Carver. Jeff Silvers 11:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the logic is that "The" shouldn't be in the title, and Carver is a disambig page. --DrBat 13:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Serial Killer
I think it should be pointed out that The Carver is not a serial killer. The Carver only killed one person, the girl who faked the attack. That doesn't classify one as a serial killer. The Carver would more correctly be identified as a Serial Rapist or Serial Mutilator.

I agree. Geeky Randy (talk) 03:51, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

(JonMarx (talk) 08:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC))

Inconsistent presentation
Reading the article, it is stated that the Carver does not have any genitalia, however by my understanding of sexual development in humans, this isn't particularly possible. The most common results are a vagina, or penis/testicles, however intersexed conditions only develop in a range of variation between a vagina and penis/testicles. To say that the Carver has no genitalia at all is highly suspicious, what evidence is shown on the show to indicate this? Is there a graphic of Costa demonstrating no genitalia at all, or he simply described as having no genitalia. Likely in the later case, they would mean that he is absent a penis in order to perform the rapes, but not entirely absent of genitalia. (However, this wouldn't be the first time that Nip/Tuck has made errors about intersex/transgender/transsexual people. In the first season there is an episode about transsexuals, although all of the people depicted are cross-dressers, and have a significantly more masculine appearance than most all actual transsexuals.) --Puellanivis (talk) 19:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge
This article should be merged with Quentin Costa, since that is the who the Carver was. --76.214.107.7 (talk) 09:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * Fair use rationale has been added. -- MisterHand  (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 14:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Occupation: Serial Rapist
The Carver's 'occupation' is listed as a serial rapist. This is surely ridiculous.

An occupation is listed by and this is the primary definition:

a person's usual or principal work or business, esp. as a means of earning a living; vocation: Her occupation was dentistry

Now while obviously literally, an occupation can be anything that a person occupies themselves with, surely the universal meaning would be somebody's business or work. And quite frankly nobody's job title is 'serial rapist'. I am open to discussion on this which is why I haven't made the edit myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.116.51 (talk) 21:54, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Costa
This article should be merged with Quentin Costa. Lots42 (talk) 09:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

SPOILER
The pic of quentin and his sister is a SPOILER. I saw this page casually, and i knew who the killer was. there is nothing on the top of the page that lets you know that the page is a spoiler --87.19.56.59 (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not contain spoiler warnings, as it is not censored. Dayewalker (talk) 21:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed; see WP:Spoiler. Klbrain (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Quentin Costa
They are the same character. It does not make sense to have two pages. Emptyviewers (talk) 01:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed and ✅

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