Talk:Cass Gilbert

Otto and Addie Kahn House
not sure if i did it right, but i tried to delete "The Otto and Addie Kahn House, now, Covenant of the Sacred Heart, New York City, 1918." among the list of Cass Gilbert's built works, as it should be attributed to C. P. H. Gilbert, or Charles Pierrepont Henry Gilbert. excerpt from NYTimes article below by Christopher Gray:


 * "A third contemporaneous Gilbert mansion was that of Frank W. Woolworth at the northeast corner of 80th Street and Fifth Avenue, now demolished but similar to the Fletcher and Kleeberg houses. The Woolworth connection has led some to confuse C. P. H. Gilbert with Cass Gilbert, the architect Woolworth chose for his skyscraper at Broadway and Barclay Street, built in 1913. There was also another prominent architectural Gilbert at the time, Bradford Lee Gilbert, who designed many railroad stations; none are closely related."

-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.246.48 (talk • contribs)


 * You are correct - the Otto and Addie Kahn House was not designed by Cass Gilbert, but by CPH Gilbert (Charles Pierrepont Henry), an architect prominant in the construction of many Upper East side residences in NYC. Short biographical info here. Good catch. MarcoTolo 00:45, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Non-copyrighted photo
As a biography, the Cass Gilbert article should have a photo. Over the last few months, I've been trying to dig up a free-use image to use, with little result. Has anyone seen a likely candidate? Even hints would be helpful as this stage, since everything I've turned-up is either covered under copyright or comes with too much licensing 'baggage' to use here. -- MarcoTolo 21:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's sometimes difficult to determine the photographer, but the Minnesota Historical Society has some material, including one photograph from 1880. --Aude (talk) 22:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw those, but was put off by the MHS Conditions of Use boilerplate. If the photo is from 1880, can the organization have a copyright on the, I don't know, presentation of a particular digital copy of the image? -- MarcoTolo 22:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure
why this:
 * Schumacher's Hotel and Restaurant in New Prague MN

showed up in the Archives section, so I moved it here to talk about. If this place owns or contains some noteworthy Cass Gilbert records, it should go back into the article. If not, pretty much only buildings that have articles about them, or should have articles about them need (opinion) to be included in the article. Carptrash (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

NRHP ones
Cass Gilbert works that are or were listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places are as follows. These are according to the National Register's NRIS database. Organized by state then city or town: References --doncram (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 149-165 State Street, Bridgeport, Connecticut, a contributing building in the Bridgeport Downtown South Historic District, a building which in 1986 was a Peoples Savings Bank building (depicted in photo #11 of nomination-attached photos).
 * New Haven Railroad Station, Union Ave., New Haven, Connecticut (Gilbert,Cass ) in Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals or Second Renaissance Revival or Second Renaissance Revival
 * Keeler Tavern property (within Ridgefield Center Historic District), a historic building built c. 1760 that was purchased in 1907 by Gilbert, who made alterations, in Ridgefield, Connecticut (Gilbert,Cass ) (district styles include Mid 19th Century Revival or Colonial Revival or Late Victorian)
 * Waterbury Municipal Center Complex, also known as  Cass Gilbert National Register District , 195, 235, 236 Grand St; 7, 35, 43 Field St., Waterbury, Connecticut (Gilbert,Cass ) in Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals or Second Renaissance Revival
 * The Seaside (Waterford, Connecticut), 36 Shore Rd., Waterford, Connecticut (Gilbert, Cass ) in Tudor Revival or Classical Revival
 * One or more properties in Strathglass Park District, Bounded by Lincoln Ave., Hancock St., Maine Ave., and York St., Rumford, Maine (Gilbert,Cass ) in Shingle Style
 * Second Brazer Building, 25--29 State St., Boston, Massachusetts (Gilbert,Cass ) in Beaux Arts
 * The Detroit Public Library, a contributing property in the Cultural Center Historic District, 5200, 5201 Woodward Ave., and 100 Farnsworth Ave., Detroit, Michigan (Gibert,Cass). The building was built in 1921 and was expanded in 1963 to design partially by Gilbert's son Cass Gilbert, Jr.
 * Cordenio Severance House, 6940 Keats Ave., S., Cottage Grove, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass) in Classical Revival or Italianate
 * Northern Pacific Railway Depot (Little Falls, Minnesota), 200 1st St., NW, Little Falls, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass ) in Shingle Style
 * J. S. Anderson House, 402 E. 2nd St., Minneota, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass) in Colonial Revival or Queen Anne
 * St. John the Divine Episcopal Church (Moorhead, Minnesota), 120 S. 8th St., Moorhead, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass ) in No style listed
 * Minnesota State Capitol, Aurora Between Cedar and Park Sts., St. Paul, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass) in Classical Revival
 * the Endicott Building, 4th and Robert Sts., St. Paul, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass) in Renaissance or Romanesque
 * One or more properties in St. Paul Seminary Historic District, 2260 Summit Ave., St. Paul, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass ) in Other or Northern Italian
 * Grace Memorial Episcopal Church (Wabasha, Minnesota), 205 E. 3rd St., Wabasha, Minnesota (Gilbert,Cass) in Gothic or English Gothic or Other
 * Former Montana Executive Mansion, 6th Ave. and Ewing St., Helena, Montana (Gilbert,Cass) in Queen Anne
 * Essex County Courthouse, 470 High St., Newark, New Jersey (Gilbert,Cass) in Renaissance
 * First National State Bank Building, 810 Broad St., Newark, New Jersey (Gilbert,Cass) in Classical Revival or Skyscraper
 * One or more buildings in Four Corners Historic District, Roughly bounded by Raymond Blvd., Mulberry St., Hill St. and Washington St., Newark, New Jersey (Gilbert, Cass) in Renaissance or Italianate or et.al.
 * Austin, Nichols and Company Warehouse, 184 Kent Ave., Brooklyn, New York (Gilbert, Cass; Gunvald, Aus (enginee ) in Late 19th and Early 20th Century American Movements
 * New York County Lawyers Association Building, 14 Vesey St., New York, New York (Gilbert,Cass) in Colonial Revival
 * New York Life Building, 51 Madison Ave., New York, New York (Gilbert,Cass) in Late Gothic Revival or American Perpendicular Gothi
 * U.S. Army Military Ocean Terminal, 58th-65th St. and 2nd Ave., New York, New York (Gilbert,Cass) in Other or Industrial
 * U.S. Customhouse, now the Alexander Hamilton U.S. Custom House, Bowling Green, New York, New York (Gilbert,Cass) in Beaux Arts style
 * U.S. Courthouse, now the Thurgood Marshall U.S. Courthouse, 40 Foley Sq., New York, New York (Gilbert,Cass) in Classical Revival
 * West Street Building, 90 West St., New York, New York (Gilbert, Cass) in Skyscraper
 * R.C. Williams Warehouse (try R. C. Williams Warehouse, 259-273 Tenth Ave., New York, New York (Gilber, Cass) in Modern Movement
 * Woolworth Building, 233 Broadway, New York, New York (Gilbert,Cass) in Tudor Revival
 * Northern Pacific Railway Depot (Fargo, North Dakota), 701 Main Ave., Fargo, North Dakota (Gilbert,Cass ) in No style listed
 * Battle Hall, South Mall, University of Texas campus, Austin, Texas (Gilbert,Cass) in Late 19th and 20th Century Revivals or Mediterranean Renaissance or Other
 * US Chamber of Commerce Building, 1615 H St., NW., Washington, D.C. (Gilbert,Cass ) in Beaux Arts or
 * West Virginia State Capitol buildings, within the NRHP-listed West Virginia Capitol Complex, Along Kanawha Blvd., E., Charleston, West Virginia (Gilbert,Cass ) in Colonial Revival or Italian Renaissance or Other
 * The NRHP-listed John F. Cance House, 807 W. Ridge Ave., Galesville, Wisconsin was designed by a member of the St. Paul office of Cass Gilbert, in Tudor Revival. Not a Cass Gilbert building.
 * After i created a good number of articles and redirects, just 3 redlinks (for 3 MN properties for another editor) remain. Am adding Category:Cass Gilbert buildings to the new ones.  I notice the 3 warehouse ones represent a significant component of Cass Gilbert's work, not yet represented in the article! --doncram (talk) 16:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Prominent?
One editor wants to remove any reference to Gilbert's prominence as a matter of "opinion." Wiki reports the evaluations made by the reliable sources -- and the numerous scholarly book, articles and exhibits demonstrate clearly enough that he is prominent, and several are cited that say that explicitly. Rjensen (talk) 12:44, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The editor in question is involved in a campaign to remove such descriptions from lede sentences on a number of articles. The edits have been reverted by a number of different editors, but the user in question has reverted back, without discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 12:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Minor and Unimportant Clean-Up to References (and "Further Reading") Needed
I don't know how to fix the citations to make clear that they are the same works but there are two MINOR problems:


 * There are two different ways to refer to Geoffrey Blodgett's Cass Gilbert: The Early Years. One refers to the 10 digit ISBN, the other to the 13 digit. Ref's should also link to Blodgett's wiki page.
 * There are also several different ways that Christen and Flanders' Cass Gilbert, Life and Work: Architect of the Public Domain is referred to. And note that Christen and Flanders aren't the author of that book, they are editors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighAtop94 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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I added information about a museum collection with a large number of drawings and plans for the Woolworth Building. Reklaw9 (talk) 21:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)