Talk:Castilla–La Mancha

Article name
I question the placement of this page at Castilla-La Mancha rather than Castilla-La Mancha. I believe that even in English, the latter is more common. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:38, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree (six years later) and i propose to boldly change this, I find no abundance of English language sources calling it Castilla-La Mancha. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:09, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Here are two pretty authoritative sources using Castile-La Mancha, though. See: Official Spanish Tourism Website and Encyclopaedia Britannica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Wang (talk • contribs) 03:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

If the article name of the autonomous comunity with similar name is Castile and León, why not this one Castile-La Mancha? --Juanpablofrias (talk) 11:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Dialect
I'm curious as to whether La Mancha has it's own dialect of Spanish. I haven't been able to find internet info on this, though I have on most of the other Spanish provinces and their dialects.Gringo300 18:10, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The dialect is Castilian--the "standard" spanish language

The dialect is a transition between the spanish of old-castile and the spanish of Andalucia. This is a good page: http://www.elquijote.com/dictionaryP.php/ch/modismos/PHPSESSID/983a326b6bf20ad3e076604e3d26db2e

Uncited population change
Uncited population change. No idea whether this is a correction, vandalism, or what. I cited number based on a census would be good. - Jmabel | Talk 17:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Don Quixote takes place in La Mancha, but we don't know exactly where it was written
Cervantes lived in Valladolid and Madrid in 1604, when the book was edited. Given the uncertainty about the period which took Cervantes to write Don Quixote, is simply more approached to reality, La Mancha is the place where the story takes place, at least, fundamentally.--2deseptiembre (talk) 14:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Material brought over from es-wiki article
Section was previously called "Bad edit but may have good material"

I reverted this edit. It was either machine translation or very badly written English, replacing the bulk of the article. From an editor with no prior edits on en-wiki. However, it does look like there was some good material there, and someone may want to mine it (and rewrite it in proper English). - Jmabel | Talk 06:07, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I've started on this, and will do more.

The Spanish-language paragraph on the economy is not very coherent; I brought over what I could follow. What it said was

"La agricultura y la ganadería sigue siendo predominante en los municipios castellanos-manchegos pero la industria está cada vez más presente, por ejemplo pueblos como Sonseca (industria textil, madera y mazapán) que crea unos 2000 empleos anuales más los casi 30.000 que ya dispone en una de las áreas industriales más importantes de la comunidad, Villacañas (sector de la puerta) o ciudades como Almansa que tiene una industria del calzado de más de un siglo. La industria derivada de actividades agrarias también está creciendo en los últimos años. Además, se está potenciando en los últimos tiempos el turismo, con el crecimiento de casas rurales o la Ruta de Don Quijote entre otras acciones."

Can anyone make sense of those statistics? Clearly Sonseca (population 11,178) and Villacañas (pop. 10,928) are not employing 30,000 people in industry with a growth of 2,000 jobs a year. I can't make head or tail of what exactly those numbers refer to. And they are totally uncited, not usually OK for statistics, so I left that bit out. - Jmabel | Talk 08:26, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Another oddity: for some of the riversheds, we have information about what percentage of the region they drain; for others, what percentage of the river's total watershed falls within the region. You would think we'd want both for each river. Anyway, I'm translating what's there, but this deserves further work afterward. - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I would say that many of the statistics here are a bit of a mess, and someone would do well to go back to sources and try to come up with parallel statistical data for things that might merit comparisons. - Jmabel | Talk 23:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

In general, I'm buffaloing through, translating the material from the Spanish-language article, with minor edits (mostly for concision). - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I've been bringing over citations from es-wiki as I go. Most are online citations using "cite web", and it appears that at least some are dead links. Unfortunately, they all seem to provide only URL, title, and accessdate. Someone should really to through and add the names of the sites from which these are drawn, and see if we can find current links for the dead links. Also, a lot of the material in the article is uncited. - Jmabel | Talk [revised 04:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)]

There is probably now some overlinking in the article, because es-wiki links far more liberally than we do. I've been trying to eliminate overlinks as I translate, but I'm sure I've missed many. - Jmabel | Talk 02:44, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe I've now brought over pretty much everything substantive from the es-wiki article except for the section on gastronomy. Do people think that section is worth bringing over? It seems to me to be a bit disproportionate; I'd be inclined to do something shorter and maybe a separate article on the cuisine of the region. - Jmabel | Talk 04:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

19th century's flag for Castile-la Mancha
in the middle of the 19th century it was the first time in history in Spain, in which there were political initiatives, talks and works to make regional (or autonomic) governments. In La Mancha there were these works and talks too; in those days the region was officialy called "New Castile", coming from the historical kingdom of Toledo. A group of Manchegan (or Toledan) regionalists designed a flag for their region, which was: parted in 4 equal squares (or rectangles). The squares were of colors red, white, sky blue. I cant remember the 4th colour, excuse me. does anybody know anything about this; it is interesting from a historical point of view. Im very sorry that i cant remember the 4th colour--- I have written this information in the Wikipedias in Spanish and French languages, but it has been deleted at once... why ?--213.37.30.13 (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: rename. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:42, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Castile-La Mancha → Castilla-La Mancha – This is a semi-translation that has essentially no currency in any language. Don't mistake the subject of this article as the historical Castile; this is a department/state of Spain that sees relatively little English-language coverage and almost always is called "Castilla-La Mancha" in our language. I searched Google News alongside "Spain" to weed out as many Spanish-language results as possible; several seeped through anyway, but the general point is clear; there are a ton of English-language results for that title, and four for the title we currently have. One of those four is us! Castilla-La Mancha versus our current weird title, and I would hazard a guess that those three results on that page only called the department "Castile-La Mancha" because of us. The common name for the governmental province in English in the Spanish name, Castilla-La Mancha. Red Slash 00:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: I may raise a parallel move at Castille and León, but that situation is probably a bit more complicated because there are multiple official names for that province based on the multiple languages spoken there (this province is basically just Spanish-speaking). Anyway, have a good day! Red Slash 00:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Support. A quick glance at other Wikipedias shows that the usual practice is to always translate Castile to the native tongue, and that includes languages of the area - Catalan, Aragonese, Portuguese, French, and most other languages all translate it.  That said, while I'd normally be inclined to oppose since Castile is pretty well known as such, the overwhelming drubbing Castile-La Mancha receives in GNews / GScholar makes me think that for this province at least, Castilla is apparently used more often.  (I'm skeptical about moving Castile & Leon though, as that pair is extremely well known as such, and we're breaking consistency no matter what.) SnowFire (talk) 01:57, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
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Requested move 18 May 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved. Mahveotm (talk) 11:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Castilla-La Mancha → Castilla–La Mancha – Castilla does not modify La Mancha, so per MOS:ENDASH I suggest we replace the hyphen with an endash. HandsomeFella (talk) 09:49, 18 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I think support? I know the &mdash; police will swiftly sort this out. I mean that positively. Red Slash 13:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Dicklyon (talk) 01:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)


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