Talk:Castle Wolfenstein

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Initial Stab
This article is my initial stab at a description of the game. However, it may contain numerous errors: I mainly played Beyond Castle Wolfenstein and only played this game once or twice, so please be bold and make corrections were you see mistakes. Also, I don't speak German so correct those words if you know the correct spelling. :-) &mdash;Frecklefoot 16:38, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * Thanks to Wik for his edits and, especially, German translations in this article! &mdash;Frecklefoot 16:57, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Added Images
I added two image from screenshots of an emulated version of the game. They don't look so hot, but that is what they really looked like on the Apple II. They are allowed under "fair use," I beleive, or some such copyright term. &mdash;Frecklefoot 22:20, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Beyond!
I just wrote the Beyond Castle Wolfenstein article. For those interested, please take a look and edit to your delight! &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 20:13, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

POV
There is a lot of point of view in this article; many opinions are expressed of the nature and playability of the game, of the Smurfenstein hack, and so on. In order to be encyclopedic, this needs to be removed --larsinio 21:25, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I looked it over and could find very little POV. Could you please point out some specific instances?   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 22:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. The only major error I found was saying Wolf3D ushered in the FPS age, whereas many consider Catacomb3D (or earlier) to be the "First FPS".  Even then, you could make the argument that it was the first "major" FPS.  (Certainly the first I played.)  Anyway, if Larsinio is referring to some of the statements regarding the superior AI of certain types of troops, it seems to me that that is simply a more lively descriptor than one would be used to, not POV.  Furthermore, I find it kind of silly (though proper!) that I found this article while wading through those cited as not being NPOV.  Larsinio, can you make a good case for this being POV?  JD79 03:32, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

POV Found
Analysis seciton:

Though the game's graphics are dated—and almost comical—by today's standards...With an emphasis on the player trying to avoid detection for as long as possible, this game (along with its sequel) is considered an ancestor of the first-person sneaker genre of games that would gain popularity in the 1990s.


 * iS that second part cited anywwhere?

in the "Author" section:

He also wrote Robot Wars. He was a prototypical "geek" in the best sense of that word: smart, inventive, and totally uninterested in conforming. Legend has it that he would typically program while wearing only his underwear, even in the office.

Legacy section:

but, besides being an entertaining game in its own right, inspiring the seminal Wolfenstein 3D is probably Castle Wolfenstein's greatest gift to computer gaming.

--larsinio 13:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I cleaned up all the instances you cite. I made the wording clearer and less POV.  Since Silas Warner has his own article, not as much needed to be said about him in the "Author" section.   &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:23, 26 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hooray for fixing stuff! JD79 02:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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 * some technical idiosyncrasies (for example, bumping into a wall caused the screen to flash random characters and generated a screeching sound)

I would interpret this not as a glitch or bug but as a deliberate attempt to replicate the shock of mild concussion incurred when running into a wall head-first, a la a circle of stars or chirping birds orbiting the head of a Warner Bros. cartoon character. Pseudo Intellectual 07:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup.
I've cleaned it up as best I could for now.--Drat (Talk) 13:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Emulators
Hi. I've undone a revert in a way that I hope reflects Wikipedia's spirit of collaboration as opposed to deletion. I tried to apply the guidelines contained in the reverting dos and don'ts, in a way that Nandesuka might have done. Also, Nandesuka's revert comment was not factually accurate (except in theory), so I worded my changes accordingly ("many" rather than "any"). Regards. -- Segaba  18:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * How is Castle Wolfenstein different -- with respect to emulators -- than any other Apple II game ever made? Should every article on every Apple II game (and there are thousands) include this paragraph, or something like it?  Nandesuka 00:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The point here is that reverting is almost always the wrong choice. The guidelines make this very clear, yet revert continues to be misused all across Wikipedia. -- Segaba  09:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please answer my question. I've removed the material until you can explain why this tangent belongs in this article.  Thanks. Nandesuka 11:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that it doesn't belong in this article. &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Voices and sequels
I believe some of the voices mentioned in this article actually appeared in Beyond Castle Wolfenstein. I have never heard "Kommen Sie!" in the original game.

Furthermore, any sequels (outside of Beyond Castle Wolfenstein) are not true relatives to the game. I think it should be noted that the game has one proper sequel.

The other games are a huge departure from the first two titles. No Castle Wolfenstein sequel has featured the stealth elements of the first two games. In fact, all recent "Wolfenstein" games have been run and gun games--with plenty of ammo. 72.205.250.123 (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Be bold. &mdash; Frecklefσσt | Talk 06:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Here is a list of all the voices used in the Apple ][ version

5E38:5E48 // ACHTUNG // "Alert" 6064:6074 // HALT 624D:625D // EEYAGH // Death Sound 661C:662C // YIEEE // Death Sound 6B7D:6B8D // CHWEINHUND // "Pig-Dog!" Mis-spelt: schweinhund 7029:7039 // SS   7570:7580 // PHOLGE // Result. Mis-spelt: Folge? 7806:7816 // KAMERAD // "Comrade" 7B79:7B89 // WASISTLOS // "What is happening?" German: Was Ist Los 819E:81AE // FEUER // "Fire!" 847C:848C // DAPUT // "(t)Here " 86F8:8708 // UFWIEDERSEN "Until we meet again." Mis-spelt: Auf Wiedersehen

Michael.Pohoreski (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Borg did voice playback too
I'd like to point out that Borg from Sirius Software, written by Dan Thompson also published in 1981 used recorded voice played back on the Apple II. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.32.192.33 (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm, okay. But it sounds like a pretty obscure game.  I've never heard of it, and we don't even seem to have an article on it.  Since they were both released in 1981, it'll be pretty hard to tell who hit the market first.  But this game undoubtedly had a greater impact on the market. Be bold if you want to mention it in some fashion. &mdash; Frecklefσσt | Talk 20:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Medals
The text states that the medals found in the chests had no effect on gameplay. I seem to recall that they did have an effect, that reduced the chance that an SS guard would challenge the player. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Article sections
The section titled “Analysis” seems to contain no analysis. I’m removing the section break, since both this and the previous section focus on gameplay. —Frungi (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Is this not properly called "Escape"…?
Early reviews of this game were lab led "Escape from Castle Wolfenstein", as in the case of Creative Computing. I also recall this was the title on the Apple II. Is this not the case? Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Medals are worthless?
The game description claims that medals are worthless, but am I mistaken in believing that they made you "outrank" a SS guard in the same way that a uniform did to the normal guards? Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:36, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

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Maze game or not
, I had reverted your edits regarding the Routledge source. Can you explain why did you remove it, per WP:BURDEN? If there is an WP:RS describing this game as a "maze game", then we include it. And unless you have a problem with the source, you should head over to the WP:RSN. --► Sincerely:  Sola virum  17:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems like there is a dispute regarding this between you and, considering the history of the article. The "maze game" should be removed from infobox per 's words here, but I don't see a reason to remove the Routledge ref on the article's body about some referring to it as a "maze game". --► Sincerely:  Sola virum  17:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * From what I understand, "maze game" is an old-timey description for any game set in a maze, just like "Doom clone" was the description for most early first-person shooters. One (1) reliable source using this terminology does not force us into using it as well. I personally feel like saying "It is set in a maze ... it is a maze game" is somewhat redundant. IceWelder  &#91; &#9993; &#93; 18:02, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It's clearly not a maze game in the sense of what's on the List of maze video games. If Castle Wolfenstein is a maze game, then so are almost all flip-screen exploration games. Citing one person who called it a maze game is misleading to the reader. Dgpop (talk) 18:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Since I'm reviewing the article, I'm going to agree with and  that only one source saying it's a maze game is not enough for classification. If another reliable source calls it a maze game, it can be added to the infobox instead of the gameplay section. For now, it's best for it to be removed until then.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 20:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Castle Smurfenstein?
This redirects here but it isn't mentioned anywhere in the article. What is it? Should be redlinked if there's nothing to put here. 2601:602:880:9A40:1878:948D:1FD9:CE6C (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)