Talk:Cat People (1942 film)

The "bus"
Hi, I just added in the information about the technique called the "bus" that Lewton and his team claimed they invented. I think that it's a very interesting and important addition, because of the bus's influence on the horror genre, but I'm haveing trouble defining it clearly. There's something so abstract and fuzzy about the definition of a bus, and maybe I'm having trouble because it's purely a filmic technique and therefore hard to describe with words. If you have ever watched a horror movie then you have seen millions of "bus" scenes: it's any sccene where the director tricks you into screaming about something silly or harmless that pops out of nowhere because your afraid of the precence of something truly horrifying in the movie. If anyone knows filmic devices and can clearly explain them, then please be my guest, go ahead and clarify my attempt to define it. It would also be neat if someone could create a whole page to describe what a "bus" is, or maybe just create a list of famous busses in movie history. Icculusioso 07:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Reverting moves
I just viewed the 1942 film Cat People, and was searching for information on it on Wiki. In the course of my research, I found several links that directed to Cat People (1942 film), while some directed to just Cat People. Upon investigating the matter, I found that the page had been moved recently (Sept) with no discussion on the matter.

I consulted the WikiProject Films/Style guidelines and Naming conventions (films). The accepted pattern for films with more than one name, or more title than just films, is Film Title (film). There is no mention of one film being the the primary topic; it reads as if both films need to have (film) in the title. These are the reasons that I reverted the original move. With Cat People being the subject of several articles, not just the two films, this title should be the disambiguation page, linking to all the others.

I spent alot of time fixing broken redirects yesterday for this article, and noticed that many articles still linked to Cat People (1942 film). I was too tired after that to write an explanation here at that time. I am not going to get into a revert war over an obscure film; it's not worth wasting my time on. However, I have explained my reasoning here in case someone else thinks the same way I do on this issue. If someone want the names to be in such a way that they are more confusing to others, and no one else cares, so be it. It's not that big a deal for an obscure film. Just make sure that all the redirects and links to this article are changed this time. -- BillCJ 17:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Note: It's been 3 weeks since my rename was reverted, and none of the redirects have been changed. Bear in mind that one of my reasons for changing the name in the first place (as stated above) was that more links pointed to Cat People (1942 film than to Cat People in the first place, evidently left over from the first time the name was changed. This is sloppy work, and why I considered my change a "revert". - BillCJ 23:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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PAGE MOVED per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 19:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Cat People → Cat People (1942 film) — and also Cat People (disambiguation) → Cat People — Another user has objected to this move in the past, but I'm not convinced that the 1942 film can be regarded as being unquestionably the primary topic. PC78 17:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support as nominator. PC78 17:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support I came ready to oppose, but then read WikiProject_Films/Style_guidelines - "If a film article already exists with the name of the film that you are trying to create an article for, use (YEAR film) in the title: Film Title (YEAR film). Rename the already existing article's title and change it to Film Title (YEAR film) also." Clearly this should be at Cat People (1942 film). -- Beardo 06:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Support I tend to think of the Natassja Kinski film instead. 70.51.8.140 07:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Support both moves. The original, but not nearly unquestionably the primary topic.
 * 5) Support per nom. I don't think we can say that the 1942 film is automatically to be given precedence. Tevildo 02:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Catpeople.jpg
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OR?
I've taken the following out, as it is unsourced and possibly WP:OR:

Although Cat People is usually categorized as a horror movie, it can also be considered a film noir, as Irena assumes many of the traits of both femme fatale and the typical noir hero alienated from conventional society, psychologically wounded and morally ambiguous. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:52, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

plot summary wrong
This summary makes it sound like she's eaten by a panther - it's been a while since I've seen this but I'm fairly sure the Panther is run over by and is dead by this stage of the film? --Cameron Scott (talk) 15:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No panther was run over in this film (as far as I can recall), and she definitely lets herself be killed (not eaten) by opening a panther's cage. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I watched the film again. The panther is run over after killing Irena. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:52, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Missing citation/source
I've moved two sentences from the article as neither the author who wrote them names any source nor could I verify the infos given:

The writing is credited to DeWitt Bodeen, but Tourneur, composer Roy Webb, Lewton and his secretary all contributed to the script.

As a nod to the movie, the DC Comics anti-heroine Catwoman uses the name Irene Dubrovna as an alias after she goes into hiding.

Of course they can be reinstated when a reliable source is given.--Robert Kerber (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

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No mention of a queer reading of this film?
Just watching Queer for Fear episode 3 and it's talking about Cat People. I've known for a long time about the queer readings of the film, especially given it was screenwritten by a queer writer DeWitt Bodeen during the Code era.

But, despite there being plenty of potential references (The Last Drive-In, citing Benshoff's Monsters in the Closet, Autostraddle, Morbidly Beautiful, The Queer Quadrant podcast, CineBeats, Ainsley Peace — even Ebert's review mentions Russell's character as potentially being a lesbian approach), this article reached GA status without a single mention?

NME has an interview with Brian Fuller that mentions the film: “The best queer horror films everyone should see – as chosen by an expert”, as well as the docuseries.

Perhaps someone who knows the genre better could update the article appropriately? — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please &#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me in replies) 19:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)