Talk:Catalin Tecuceanu

Requested move 8 July 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Sustained deadlock between supporters wishing to respect his Romanian origin and the opposers preferring the common Italian spelling on common name grounds. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 04:56, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Catalin Tecuceanu → Cătălin Tecuceanu – has moved this article twice removing the diacritics from his person's name because he has Italian citizenship or something. I am not sure if there's a policy arguing to remove diacritics from Italian citizens but the fact that he has Italian citizenship doesn't really matter as Tecuceanu has Romanian citizenship too as the article clearly states. I would doubt that there's a Wikipedia policy justifying certain titles based on something as unstable as the country someone is playing for considering that can easily change in the future. In other words, I find Arorae's move unjustified.

In the case that anyone is wondering, we can't say much from WP:COMMONNAME. Romanian sources use diacritics while Italian ones don't. Some more international websites don't use them and some do. Super  Ψ   Dro  07:47, 8 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:42, 15 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose as Catalin is the usual Italian version of his name, without diacritics, and because this athlete competes now only for Italy and no more for Romania. He actually never competed for Romanian team.--Arorae (talk) 13:07, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * But this person was born in Romania and has Romanian citizenship apart of Italian one. Super   Ψ   Dro  18:38, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I do agree with that but this person is known only because he became an Italian athlete and his Italian official name is now Catalin without diacritics that do not exist in the Italian language. He lives in Italy since he was a child (8 years old). From FIDAL site . --Arorae (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think it matters much if he has lived for a long time in Italy or if he's only known for what he has done there. There's no way something similar to that is backed by Wikipedia policy. Diacritics are also used for his name in some other websites . I think you've been giving the fact that this person has gotten Italian citizenship too much weight, Tecuceanu is still probably a Romanian citizen, and I've seen that Italy allows dual citizenship for Romanians, so his name with diacritics is still currently used. Super   Ψ   Dro  16:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - As this is the English language Wikipedia & not the Romanian language Wikipedia. Best we use letters from the english alphabet. GoodDay (talk) 02:30, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Right. You may also want to start RMs at Iași, Asfò Bussotti, José Eduardo dos Santos and many many many other pages, as this is the English Wikipedia, not the Romanian, Italian or Portuguese ones. Super   Ψ   Dro  16:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * any source for this quote? :

"(he didn't change his name, and there's also no evidence that he has lost his Romanian citizenship)". I think not. By the way, you are Romanian and you don't seem to have a neutral point of view on his citizenship. As a French, I am perfectly aware that his name has diacritics in Romanian (I always add diacritics when they exist on Romanian names et family names), but in this case NO Italian source uses the diacritics as they are not in use in Italy.--Arorae (talk) 18:30, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I am definitively not knowledgeable in this topic, but I'd imagine the process of getting the citizenship of a new country does not involve changes in your legal name. Not necessarily. And I haven't been able to find anything about what happened to his Romanian citizenship after getting the Italian one. By the way, according to this source, he has also played wearing the Romanian national shirt in international competitions and won a junior competition in Romania. Although the same article includes declarations where he says he feels Italian. And yes, I admit that I am treating this case with some bias, as I can't logically justify misspelling a name I'm used to hear differently. Who can blame me, after all?
 * Anyway, I think we should be looking for what do English sources call him like. When I search his name in Google, I get almost no results in English. I know Google has a function to search results in one single language but I am currently not in the PC I normally use so maybe you could look into it and send here a link with the url altered to search results in English. Or maybe you know another way. But I'd be willing to accept the current title if it is proven it is more common in English-language sources. Super   Ψ   Dro  19:57, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * He defintively feels proud to be Italian.--Arorae (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per Super   Ψ   Dro . --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)