Talk:Catalina affair

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There is no evidence of presence of electronic surveilence aboard the Catalinas.

The Catalinas were on international waters.


 * Both of the above statements are correct. The shot-down Catalina (not plural) was not on a surveilence mission, but on a rescue mission, searching for the lost DC-3 aircraft. 83.250.228.140 20:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

clarification
so how many of the supposed (8) original ypb crew ditched, died, were rescued?
 * All five crew members from the Canso were rescued by the German freighter.83.248.24.253 14:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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Fake Picture
The picture looks very obviously faked to me.

178.15.145.204 (talk) 11:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Concur. It looks photo-shopped, and not well. CsikosLo (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I can't find any information about this picture online, other than at the file description page (File:Catalina affair 1952.jpg), which claims it was contemporary to the affair. I wonder if it was originally meant to be a recreation of the events and not intended to be taken as a real photo. This article says the people in the boats are supposed to be the crew of the Catalina rowing away from the sinking plane. clpo13(talk) 16:18, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
 * According to this source (cited on the German page) the Catalina crew was rescued by the nearby German ship Münsterland, whose crew witnessed the entire event and from which the photo presumably was taken:
 * Lklundin (talk) 13:29, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No, what you think is evidence of PhotoShopping is almost certainly contemporary manual retouching to make the photograh more clear for low-resolution newspaper reproduction. Unlike the crew dinghies, the colour scheme of the aircraft would have blended in with the sea (as it was obviously meant to!), which would not have reproduced well. In fact, the same photograph appeared in the Illustrated London News magazine of 28 June 1952, and in that is noticably less retouched (if at all), as its photographic reproduction was of a higher standard than contemporary newspapers. It would also have been prepared a few days before the publication date, leaving little time for a "recreation" after the shootdown on 16 June. Nick Cooper (talk) 15:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * No, what you think is evidence of PhotoShopping is almost certainly contemporary manual retouching to make the photograh more clear for low-resolution newspaper reproduction. Unlike the crew dinghies, the colour scheme of the aircraft would have blended in with the sea (as it was obviously meant to!), which would not have reproduced well. In fact, the same photograph appeared in the Illustrated London News magazine of 28 June 1952, and in that is noticably less retouched (if at all), as its photographic reproduction was of a higher standard than contemporary newspapers. It would also have been prepared a few days before the publication date, leaving little time for a "recreation" after the shootdown on 16 June. Nick Cooper (talk) 15:06, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Soviet propaganda
Surveillance flights in properly marked aircraft operating in international airspace are most certainly NOT "spying." These flights are completely legal under international law and always have been. "Spying" has been the Soviet excuse for repeated acts of air piracy and the murder of hundreds of military aircrew and civilians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.166.3 (talk) 13:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)