Talk:Cath Palug

Not Arthur
In the list under "#French writings", most is non-Arthurian matierial (i.e., not classed as Matter of Britain).

Hence, as one might suspect, the section section lede "The French versions relate a battle between King Arthur himself and the Chapalu" is erroneous.

In, it is Charlemagne's son's right-hand man Guillaume d'Orange's formerly-pagan wife's brother Rainouart who is the chief character, and Rainouart is the one who battles the Cat. It says so right in Larrington, the source given.

And (this is according to Myreur des Hystors) Ogier fought the cat, so again, "The fight between king Arthur and the Chapalu" etc. is probably poorly verified.

Unfortunate the bulk was added by IP user (this edit) so cant reliably ping his/her talk page. I'm doing other edits, and not doing major surgery on this article now.--Kiyoweap (talk) 13:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Location in Vulgate
If you go by the actual text of the prose Merlin, Arthur fought the cat of Lausanne.

Silently replacing the "Lac de Lausanne" according to text, with the theorized "correct" location according to research "Lac du Bourget", without any explanation is not the correct way to present information.

Also linking to le Bourget (in the banlieu de Paris) was a mistake.--Kiyoweap (talk) 12:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Red eyes
I'm wondering where the previous editor picked up the information that the chapalu in Battaile Loquifer had "red eyes"?

This is kind of hard to come by. I couldn't find anything out there written in English. The citation to Larryington is false, she only gives "cat head and horse body".

In French, the only hit I found on books.google querying on "chapalu" "yeux rouges" was the Hüe et al. (2002). This is the source used in the French fr:Chapalu article, which does mention the red eyes.

My guess then is the info was gotten from the French wiki, and if so, aren't you supposed to attribute it in Edit summary as per WP:COPYWITHIN, even if you're not literally copy & pasting (you can't copy and paste if you're taking it from a foreign language page anyway). --Kiyoweap (talk) 16:50, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I believe it is pretty clear that in this edit I mentioned above basically transferred material from the corresponding French Wikipedia article, and posted it.
 * There are various indication that this is what happened, "Brunehaut" is a rather unusual choice of spelling among variants such as Brunehold, Brunholt, and it is characteristic of the French version. Calling Gawain "Gauvain". and so forth.


 * I deleted the portion that read "Gringalet is also the name of the horse of Gauvain. This might explain the description of the chapalus : the body of a horse" because it wasn't source and I didn't regard it as that important, but I found it mentioned by Freymond in footnote, so I'm going to restore it (in notelist). (BTW, this is also a factoid mentioned in fr.wiki, but they cite a different source). --Kiyoweap (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2017 (UTC)