Talk:Cathedral Preparatory School

Updates
Shouldn't someone add something about the championship soccer team. If the basketball and football are noteworthy then soccer should be as well. Also isn't the proper full name be the Cathedral Preparatory School for Boys? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkagl1 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Its official name might have included "for boys" at some point, but the official website calls it "Cathedral Preparatory School", and I think it has been called that for a long time. I don't think a soccer championship needs to be mentioned.  The two things mentioned are things for which the school received national recognition.  The "well, if you are going to mention x, what about y?" attitude will lead us right back to having a cluttered mess of an entry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketyson79 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Sports
Please don't post biased and useless info such as "PREP regularly owns everyone". Instead, post game statistics from past events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajferrick (talk • contribs) 02:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Nick
If you want to add the Nick Quint statement please source it and discuss it here first. -- Michigan user 15:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Article rename
This article needs to be named for the school's full name, Cathedral Preparatory School, and not the abbreviation/common sports reference "Erie Cathedral Prep" It simply looks much more professional that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.70.142.248 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Needs Work Seconded
We need to start with categories and then work on the atrocious article structure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.70.142.248 (talk • contribs) 05:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

What Not to Include
Greetings editors!

I will be soon deleting some names in the article that really don't belong. I strongly encourage editors to check outthe WikiSchools Project page, notably: What Not To Include which outlines what should not be included in articles about school on Wikipedia. Among these are students and staff members who are not notable, beyond being students and staff at the school.

I know it can be frustrating to have information deleted, sometimes with little warning or reason. Please check out this page before adding anything to the article. Also, make sure that you include citations in the article from reputable third party sources. This not only helps people doing further research, but it adds strength to the claims you make.

Good luck! LonelyBeacon 02:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Vast Revisions
Some purportedly responsible adults took it upon themselves to turn this wikipedia entry into a Prep brochure/mailer. Upon reading it, I almost expected to find a solicitation for money at the end. This is embarrassing. So, I deleted the most egregious examples of this nonsense-- though the page would benefit from a more thorough edit, preferably by someone who is literate.

Examples of my edits include: removing a list of the people present at a press conference, when the whole point was to report the simple fact that there would be some construction. And. . . removing "scholarship funds" from a list of building renovations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lschof90 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it was "responsible adults", more likely Prep students. I'm always removing vandalism to McDowell High School or General McLane High School from a "Prep fan". --​​ ​​D ​​tbohrer​​​ ​talk • contribs 20:42, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ha, Prep students adding productive content to a wiki, I doubt it. I can tell you from personal experience that prep students are more likely to add comments in the area of "Prep owns everyone". The fact that the page looks like an ad was probably done by a teacher. Halofan101 (talk) 19:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Rename again
The article needs to be renamed again, this time because the school has changed its name to St Peter Cathedral School. I started to edit the article but lost heart when I saw the name of the school was changed. If someone will change the name of the article and find a link to the history of the school and post it here, I'd be happy to Wikify this article. --Pat (talk) 05:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you may be confusing Cathedral Prep with the middle school across the street that's called St. Peters. --​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 13:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems you are correct. The page for parents and students says the name was changed in May. fyi. --Pat (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Student Section
Despite several attempts to add this, and then create its own article, it is not going to stand. A small (1 small paragraph) mention might work, providing that it is properly referenced, and avoids the use of unreferencable superlatives. An entire history of the section, a list of cheers, members, etc is not encyclopedic, and will almost certainly continue to be deleted. I hope this advice works for whichever editors have been working on this. LonelyBeacon (talk) 02:32, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

General Comment
Why is it that this page actively resists any attempted improvement? For example, the first paragraph, which is two sentences long, mentions Erie 3 times, Gannon twice, and the fact that the school is all-male twice. Now, I wasn't going to spend all afternoon re-writing this absolutely ridiculous entry. But I thought I would take 3 minutes and alter the introduction, and some other poorly written sections. Admittedly, my edit lacked poetic flair. It did, however, remedy a problem that had existed-- namely, it sounded like it had been written by a 6th grader. Now, this is understandable, give that Wiki is a piecemeal project. With people writing sentences at different times, we are bound to mention once too often that the school is all-male. But someone (Dtbohrer, I am looking at you) feels the need to go revert the edit, so that the all-maleness is, once again, mentioned twice in two sentences. This introduces a massive dis-incentive for anyone looking to improve this entry. One more example. If you open up an encyclopedia, you will notice that the first paragraph or two mention only very important facts. Why in the world is the size of the 1925 graduating class mentioned right at the beginning? This is the sort of worthless fact that is supposed to go in a bubble on the side of a recruiting brochure. Right now, the entry reads like an illiterate advertising exec wrote it, and Dtbohrer is playing the role of the sycophantic assistant, assuring the boss that his not, in fact, an empty suit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketyson79 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I reverted it because you added a line about how "95% of the students go college afterwards", which sounded non-NPOV to me. I've been reverting vandalism involving the Prep/McDowell rivarly constantly from here that any edit starts to sound like vandalism. --​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 19:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I found that on the Prep website, but am more than happy to get rid of it. My hope was to make it look like I was NOT a partisan, trying to destroy the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketyson79 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article probably no longer needs the rewrite tag and possibly the advert tag. --​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 17:23, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Changes
So, I deleted much of the article. Having a bunch of sections with very little under them seems silly. And talking about the various proposed revisions to the building seems like something you would do in a recruiting brochure, but does not sound terribly encyclopedic. It seems to me that people coming to any encyclopedia entry about the school can reasonably expect to find out that the school is all-male, that it is run by the diocese, that it has a notable athletics program, and that it has some famous alumni. If people want to know about the curriculum (which is pretty standard for a prep school), or about all the sports programs, they can go to the school's website. As it was, the entry seemed like it was trying to cram in a bunch of "fun-facts", and introduce a bunch of sections that had very little information. There is a huge temptation, looking at the history, to write this entry like a brochure. If you find yourself saying, for example "Well, this makes it look like all Prep cares about is sports. We need to mention that the men of Prep have earned many academic scholarships, totaling. . ." then you are thinking like a marketer. Any college prep school is going to have such statistics. There is no reason to include them here. If people want them, they can look them up on Prep's website. Wiki seems to be the wrong place for this type of thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketyson79 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been hoping someone would come and cut a lot from the article, but I just didn't want to expend any type effort in this train wreck. --​​ ​​D.B. talk • contribs 19:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Making this article sound like a brochure
Why is it that if this article is left alone long enough, someone always arrives and begins editing it to sound like a brochure? Prep is "known for its academics"? Great. Do you think anyone coming to an encyclopedia entry is interested to hear that a school considers itself to be involved in academics in some way? Does the Buffalo Bill website mention that they are known for playing football? No. Because that would be ridiculous. And is the fact that someone once said something nice about Prep's cheering section really something that needs to be included in this entry? Texas Tech coach Mike Leach once said that a pirate can beat a soldier. So should we we include that quote, for no reason, in the pirate entry? Or the soldier entry? No. Because no person looking up "pirate" on wikipedia cares what some random person said about pirates once. Do you think anyone is coming to this page to learn about what the Pittsburgh Post Gazette had to say about the awesomeness of the Prep cheering section? If so, you'd better get to work editing the pirate entry too. Because you have a much different sense of how wiki is used than I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketyson79 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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