Talk:Catholic Church/Unresolved issues

Since it is intended that the Catholic Church article be submitted for Peer Review and subsequently as a Featured Article Candidate, I am compiling a list of unresolved issues to be considered during those processes. I suggest that editors add here any unresolved issues which would cause them to oppose making this article a Featured Article. I strongly urge all editors to refrain from discussing the issues on this page. In fact, I will revert out any attempts to do so.

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Adherents

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Catholic institutions, personnel and demographics
This table is cited to Froehle's "Global Catholicism" it is created by the same source used by all major newspapers. I have this book if anyone wants to know anything else about Catholic institutions around the world.  Nancy Heise   ''' talk 14:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Catholic Church in Europe

 * Secularism has seen a steady rise in Europe, yet the Catholic presence there remains strong.

Indigenous populations

 * the Church faces challenges in reaching indigenous populations where over 715 different languages are spoken.

Cultural Influence
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"Destined for prominence"

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Ecumenical councils

 * Second paragraph: "Church doctrines have been defined through various ecumenical councils ..."  First, "various" is unacceptably vague, especially since there is an official numbered list stating which and how many councils are considered "ecumenical".  Second, it is wholly inadequate to the complexity of the matter, since the bulk of official Catholic teaching has never been formally defined but falls under the rubric of the "ordinary and universal magisterium" of the bishops in dispersion.  (See the article on Magisterium for details.) &#x270D; 00:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * 21 ecumenical councils

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Nicene Creed

 * "Those beliefs are summarized in the Nicene Creed ..." Not really.  The Nicene Creed is primarily a resolution of early conflicts over trinitarianism and christology; the rest of the faith is barely even in view.  For example, the Eucharist, the "source and summit" of Catholic life, is not even mentioned. User:Harmakheru 00:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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 * Still present in a second location at the end of the "Beliefs" section. It might be worthwhile to change "summarized in the Nicene Creed" to "summarized in a number of official creeds" since creeds are indeed important and the link gives a good overview of them.   Ha rm ak he ru   &#x270D; 00:54, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think Harmakheru's comments here are an example of the problems this article faces in trying to create an accurate Beliefs section. The Nicene creed is the only one that is cited at Catholic Mass. There are no other "creeds" that are considered to be the central statement of Catholic faith. It has been my observation over the past few days that none of the people currently editing the section seems to have any knowledge or sources to support their article text and the citations are almost wholly to original documents in violation of WP:OR. The section needs to be created by by someone who has some knowledge of Church beliefs and uses Nihil obstat, Imprimatur sources as well as those used in Catholic catechesis. I suggest reinserting the old Beliefs section and allowing someone like myself to trim it. A trimmed version can already be found in this article here User:NancyHeise/Catholic Church medium version. The Beliefs section in that article to be transferred to the new article should include both Beliefs and Prayer and Worship to be representative of Catholic Beliefs as they are detailed in the Catechism. To omit one would make the section inaccurate and incomplete.  Nancy Heise   ''' talk 14:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Albigensian Crusade - First papal inquisition

 * After a papal legate was put to death by the Cathars in 1208, Pope Innocent III declared the Albigensian Crusade. Abuses committed during the crusade prompted Innocent III to informally institute the first papal inquisition to prevent future abuses

Issues

 * Multiple issues with section on Catharism and the Medieval Inquisition
 * Whether to list the beliefs of Catharism
 * Whether it is important to mention the murder of the papal legate
 * Whether it is necessary to mention the low frequency of executions in the Medieval Inquisition

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Amerindian populations

 * Nevertheless, Amerindian populations suffered serious decline due to new diseases, inadvertently introduced through contact with Europeans,  which created a labor vacuum in the New World.

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History - Nazism and Fascism
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