Talk:Cauliflower/Archive 1

Cooking Instructions
This article could be improved by the addition of cooking instructions. davidzuccaro 09:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Growing season a year?
Wouldn't it be more correct to say that the lifecycle of Cauliflower (as an annual) is a growing season? Cuz I doubt if every cauliflower in the world drops dead on its 366th day of life.--Anchoress 07:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Changed, since no-one commented one way or the other.--Anchoress 21:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bhutanese prophets
The sentence makes no sense...why is a ban between 1831 and 1946 relevant to a boy who was poisoned by a pesticide-laden cauliflower in 2002? I'm rewording it - someone else can disagree if they wish. If these prophets did indeed foretell of this boy's death, more information must be given. Kickstart70 02:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, this sounds unbelievable. Unless anyone has a proper reference for this, I'm removing it. Scott5834 23:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Recent addition (cooking instructions)
The problem(s) with the new addition are: a) the cooking instructions are for Romanesco, whereas the article is about Cauliflower; and b) it's a copyvio, copied and pasted word for word from the linked website. Anchoress 12:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention "be careful not to stir it too much during cooking, because it looks better with the "Christmas tree" florets intact" is kinda POV. I'll re-write. WLU 14:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

More detailed physical description, please
Would appreciate more description of the plant, particularly in the leading paragraph or nearby. For example, informing the reader as to which structures are commonly eaten. A-giau 16:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There's already that sort of info in the article, plus pictures. What were you thinking was missing?  See Cauliflower for example.  WLU 20:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Broccoflower and/or chou Romanesco?
Judging by the broccoflower article, and John Walker's page for Chou Romanesco, they look to be the same thing: are they?
 * I don't think so. They do look similar, but broccoflower's clumps of flowers are more rounded, and if you look at the closeup image, you can see that it also has sporadic larger, broccoli-like buds on its surface, which Chou Romanesco seems to lack. That said, I'd appreciate some explanation of the latter's origin. At the moment it seems it was planted in Europe by visiting aliens roughly 20 years ago. -AndromedaRoach 21:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk:Broccoflower contains a comment by Edoderoo stating that these vegetables are, in fact, the same thing. If this is the case then this article should remove the distinction, but Edoderoo does not cite any sources; it is possible he just saw the picture of broccoflower and assumed it was the vegetable he knew. -AndromedaRoach 21:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've edited Broccoflower, Romanesco broccoli, and Cauliflower to make the distinctions clear and consistent with current understanding in the field.Phytism 18:19, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Delete?
User:Rfrancis123 added: Cauliflower is the result of man's artificial selection for sterilty of flowers within the wild mustard flower. What exactly is this supposed to mean? Should it be deleted? He has added similar sentences in Kohlrabi, Cabbage, Kale, and Broccoli. NapoleonB 22:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Why not add one of those citation needed labels?
 * davidzuccaro 14:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Thanks, NapoleonB 15:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Might as well delete, because it is untrue.Phytism 18:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

GMO
I think whether the colour coliflours should be listed if they have been genetically modified to exhibit these colours. Right now, it's not very clear. 70.52.169.155 (talk) 15:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * They are not transgenic. I don't think it is worth mentioning in articles every trait of every crop plant that is non-transgenic, so I prefer to leave it as is. Transgenic traits are the exceptional ones, and they are worth mentioning if present. Phytism (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Production by Country
Surely having a table showing who produces the most cauliflowers is really just a reflection of the population. Another column showing cauliflowers grown per capita would be more useful as it would show the popularity rather than just the amount. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.123.104 (talk) 13:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

"Blah blah certain buroughs in the greater manchester area of the UK"? You've got to be kidding. That's like saying "people on maple street in California like their cauliflower raw and served with ranch dressing."68.32.106.103 (talk) 02:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Color variations?
I've heard common cauliflower occurs in different colors, not just white. I've heard there's an orange? The article mentions nothing of color variety. --24.21.148.212 (talk) 08:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A lot of the botanical information, including color variations, that I added in 2007 were deleted on 19 Jan 2009. I restored it manually as best I could. It may take some cleaning up Phytism (talk) 21:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Over cooked cauliflower, Can relaese a pottent fragrance, 'can smell a bit like rotten egg. or in latin (zieriv dighxs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.145.116 (talk) 21:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Protection
I propose we try unprotecting this page, and if vandalism continues reprotecting it. I read the current policy states that indefinite semi-protection should be avoided at all cost, and we don't have enough evidence yet to justify eternal protection. --hydrox (talk) 20:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I deal with the two banned users that got this page protected. One of them is currently rangeblocked and the other I'm monitoring. As a result, I have unprotected the page.  E lockid  ( Talk ) 21:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Fractal Dimension
The fractal dimension given in this article does not match the one given in List of fractals by Hausdorff dimension for the Cauliflower. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.98.112 (talk) 09:25, 5 July 2010 (UTC) To be fair, the paper measured the Box-counting_dimension, rather than the Hausdorff dimension. The fractal dimension given in the article also doesn't match the value given in the cited paper, 2.88 isn't even within the error bars of the paper. The paper finds the fractional dimension of the cross section of cauliflower to be 1.88 +- 0.02, then projects that to the bulk fractional dimension by multiplying by 3/2. So they find the fractional dimension to be 2.82 +- 0.03. The article says "The fractal dimension of white cauliflower is predicted at about 2.88", but who is doing the predicting. The paper cited does an indirect measurement. Pulu (talk) 19:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

British nomenclature
In the film Wallace and Gromit: The Curse Of The Were-Rabit, a man complains, "Look at my wife's brassicas - Ravaged in the night!" (indicates a woman who is holding cauliflowers in front of her breasts). Is "brassica" what cauliflowers are called by the English? 192.197.54.33 (talk) 23:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I believe checking the wikipedia page for brassica will provide the details you ask for. But to clarify where i am from in England we do not call them brassicas. GenPatton (talk) 14:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

No, it's a cartoon. Logical Cowboy (talk) 14:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

old comments
Heh, how bad is it when you have to worry about NPOV about cauliflower? ;) -- John Owens

It's Califlower, after California, where it was first found. The spelling is wrong on all pages. Check out Webster's dictionary for verification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.242.66.75 (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2011 (UTC) Well my Concise Oxford shows no ref to califlower, but it does refer to cauliflower (chou fleuri - flowered cabbage) You being serious? 149.254.120.140 (talk) 14:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


 * One must be ever vigilant against the proselytization of the massive international cauliflower industry's lobby groups. :) Bryan


 * I hear they're in league with the broccoli people. Don't tell anyone I told you. -- John Owens

Nutrition
I have noticed nutrition information boxes around - how do I get one here? 400 Lux (talk) 05:34, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I see it now, disregard. 400 Lux (talk) 05:35, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

What is curd?
This article makes multiple references to curd, but the curd disambiguation page doesn't have any relevant articles to describe what curd in this sense is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.28.115 (talk) 05:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out, as I agree it likely has caused confusion. "Curd" is a horticulturalist's synonym for "head", both referring to the edible portion of cauliflower commonly eaten. It's the interior, usually white, portion exclusive of the leaves. I found two university-derived references for it, and have revised the article. Respond here if it remains unclear. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 17:18, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * See this image for similarity of cauliflower "curd" vs. actual cheese curd. --Zefr (talk) 19:23, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

What is the "head"?
Is it the flower? Where are the seeds? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 00:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The head is the flower. I don't know where the seeds are. WLU 13:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Although the head is commonly referred to as the "flower", it isn't really. The head eventually "bolts" producing shoots 50cm or more tall bearing spikes of small 4-petalled yellow flowers (like a typical brassica) which go to seed in the usual way. See http://tcpermaculture.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/cauliflower-flowers.html for the general idea.


 * Incidentally, this points up the problem mentioned in the previous section: there is very little in this article or in Brassica oleracea about this particular plant: it's size, leaves, flowers (as described in previous para) etc etc. This should be rectified. I'd do it myself but I don't have any citeable sources. Wellset (talk) 10:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)