Talk:Caxcan

Modern-day Caxcan identity?
I reverted the recent changes that implied Caxcan persists today as an identifiable and recognised ethnolinguistic cultural group. Such a statement would need far better sources than those provided to sustain the claim. Neither CDI nor INALI mention or recognise any distinct Caxcan/Cazcan population or language/dialect, and nor do contemporary linguistic references for Uto-Aztecan or Mexican indigenous langs in general - to the best of my knowledge. Possibly I'm mistaken, but I do not think modern ethnographic sources propose or identify any contiguous population as "caxcan/cazcan".

A passing acknowledgement in an EZLN speech is insufficient evidence. The John P. Schmal reference is misused &mdash; saying that there are no doubt genetic descendants living today with Caxcan forebears is a different thing altogether to saying that there is a distinct and recognised culture persisting today. In another place and context, Schmal evidently agrees with the proposition Caxcan has no currency today, stating "as a cultural group, the Caxcanes ceased to exist during the Nineteenth Century.".

If more reliable and relevant sources can be found to demonstrate a recognised group identity as Caxcan survives, then glad to reconsider upon presentation of those sources. Until then, let's stick with what the current ethnographic descriptions portray is the case. --cjllw ʘ  TALK 06:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I actually came to this article after noting the following in this article: "Jennie Luna, who is Chicana and Caxcan, said society largely is ignorant toward indigenous spirituality and doesn't understand what should not be marketed commercially. She and others say more education about Native American cultures is needed." Obviously this is not a source we can use, much less one that satisfies your request, but it does seem to me that at least some people are claiming this heritage. I am not sure whether we have to go so far as to corroborate with ethnographic sources, though. I didn't see the reverted text, but a statement that some people today claim the identity and descent from these people doesn't seem to necessitate their being correct. We recognize people's descent or claims of being from other tribes even if they don't necessarily demonstrate an accurate continuum of culture.Rifter0x0000 (talk) 03:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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