Talk:CeCe Peniston/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 16:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

There's no excuse for this article having to wait three months for a review, so I'll try to get to this in a couple days. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Here's my first round of comments:
 * Before I start on the prose part, I noticed a few spots where there are 5+ references ending a sentence. Is there a reason for that? It seems to be overkill.
 * I don't consider myspace a reliable source, especially for where it's being used. Replace them.
 * Same for youtube, but only one instance of the three is an issue for me (ref 75), replace that one. I'd prefer a better site for the one time imdb is used as well, though it's okay in this case.
 * "After earning her diploma, she would continue to study liberal arts at the Phoenix College where she got involved in athletics, and took entering beauty pageants. " she continued to study...and entered beauty pageants.
 * I'm not sure if the two large block quotes in the controversies section is useful. having some form of quotes is helpful in this case, but I don't think we need the entire back-and-forth.

Once these are addressed, I'll start tackling the prose. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:01, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Here are some more prose comments:
 * There are a lot of instances of "she would". Make the prose more active in those cases, i.e. She reacted rather than she would react.
 * Are four sound clips really necessary? One or two would perhaps make sense since it is a bio on a singer, but more than that feels like a violation of non-free guidelines.
 * "Peniston began writing pop lyrics already at school." 'already at school' feels odd, reword this sentence.
 * "asked Peniston to record back-up vocals for Tonya Davis" her stage name is linked right after this, so the link on Tonya Davis can be removed.
 * "When Delgado, who'd preferred Peniston instead, brought his favorite in to do background part, the response from everyone would be immediate, but would not move the Pooch to invite Peniston back for more vocals – unless she was successful to locate Sallard." very confusing as worded. If Delgado likes Peniston, why did he pass? Sounds contradictory and needs some rewording anyway.
 * "Later on, as it became clear that the singer was leaping from the Overweight Pooch's album to the top of the charts," huh? Sentences like this are puff and need to be cut down. In fact, the entire paragraph that starts with this needs a rewrite, preferably from another editor to catch any issues.
 * "Delgado called on a hometown friend and music producer too, Rodney K. Jackson (they two met through mutual friends in Arizona)," another issue I'm seeing is an overindulgence on adding little trivia bits. This could easily just say 'Delgado called on friend and music producer Rodney K. Jackson,' without losing any meaning, and actually making it look more encyclopedic.
 * "the “Finally” session would after the final approval of A&M's Vice President, Mark Mazzetti,[26] result in recording her own debut album" this sentence feels like it's written backwards. Move the result part after would.
 * "The song burst on to the US club scene in the fall of 1991, where became an instant dance anthem peaking, in October,[10] " onto is one words, no comma is needed after peaking, where it became, and the tone's not that good on this sentence.
 * "However, she "had two months to pull the whole album together" and "didn’t realize the impact the record was having until it reached the top five". She also described how difficult it was to begin her career at such an extreme pace, but [4]" there's gotta be a cite after the quotes, and I have no idea what cite 4 there goes to, since it's tossed in mid-sentence.
 * "Both, the single and album" no comma here. There's a lot of sentence that seem to have commas where they shouldn't.
 * Most of the issues noted above are evident throughout the article, not just in the spot that I note it.

All in all, I feel bad for saying this since clearly a huge amount of work went into this article, but to make GA status it honestly needs a complete rewrite. The prose is not good at all, and while there's a lot of detail, some puff sentences can be cut easily and make the article both better in regards to prose and a bit shorter. After all the issues I noted are fixed and the article modified, I would send it to PR first before coming to GAN again, just to make sure the prose is up to snuff. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:25, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

/sarcasm:Wow two typos and it fails GA status. Go figure. ☼Phrasia☼ (talk) 07:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Not sure how you only see two typos in what Wizardman wrote. The "she would" stuff is why I came here to comment, but I see it's already been brought up. -Phoenixrod (talk) 05:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)