Talk:Cecily of York

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The Margaret of York referenced in this article is Edward IV's fourth daughter who was born and died in 1472 (hardly worth mentioning in this context). NOT Margaret of York, Duchess of Burgundy, Edward's sister -- who is linked in this article. Thanks for changing it.

see Charles Ross, "Edward IV" p.6

Titulus Regius
In the Reign of Richard III section is the statement
 * According to Commines, only two of the elder daughters of Edward IV were declared illegitimate at the time that their younger brothers were excluded from the throne by the Act of Titulus Regius.

which implies in the context of this page that Cecily was not declared illegitimate. I have looked up the reference and what Commines actually says (Commynes, Phillipe de. The Reign of Louis XI 1461-83. Trans. Michael Jones. Penguin Books 1972: Book 5, chapter 20)
 * The two daughters [of Edward IV] were declared illegitimate in a plenary session of Parliament and their right to the royal arms was taken from them.

To my mind this clearly refers to Elizabeth and Cecily. Mary was dead by then (and Margaret too of course), and I can only assume Commines forgot or did not know about Anne, Catherine and Bridget because they were so young.

Should the page be modified, and how? Merely remove the misleading sentence? --Zipperdeedoodah (talk) 20:27, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Picture ID
The stained glass window depicting the daughters of Edward IV reads: The five daughters of King Edward IV (1461-1483) and Elizabeth Woodville, (left to right): Elizabeth, Cecily, Anne, Catherine, and Mary, all "Princesses of York". 5 of Edward's 7 daughters survived him - Elizabeth, Cecily, Anne, Catherine, & Bridget. Mary, the 2nd daughter (not the youngest as the picture ID states), at age 14, predeceased Edward by a yr; Margaret earlier in his reign, in infancy. What's crucial here in identification is when the window was put in. Edward had 6 daughters living until 1482, so my guess is the window was created after that. If it were meant to be a depiction of all his daughters, there would be 7 of them, just as in the similar Tudor pic that shows Elizabeth of York & Henry VII as having 4 daughters (Margaret, Mary, Elizabeth, & Catherine) & 3 sons (Arthur, Henry, & Edmund), even though by the time it was painted 4 of them (& Elizabeth herself) had died. I think it's an illustration of the 5 daughters who survived Edward, & the one IDd as Mary should be Bridget. ScarletRibbons (talk) 14:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 * According to the Cathedral website (http://www.canterbury-archaeology.org.uk/royal/4590809716), Edward IV himself paid for this window and it was installed "about 1480". Bridget was not born until 11 November that year, and Mary didn't die until 1482. Since Elizabeth was in her mid-40s by then, it is likely the couple had not expected any more children.  My guess is that the window was commissioned a year or two before it was installed; I'd love to get into the rolls and find out if there is a record of the date of commission or payment. Catherine was probably a last minute addition to the planning since she was born in August of 1479. Edward and Elizabeth's other two children, George and Margaret, both died in infancy and are not included here.


 * So the fifth daughter is Mary, but what is still unclear is why she is listed on the window last instead of second.


 * I've also edited the picture file description to clear up confusion. History Lunatic (talk) 10:02, 4 February 2018 (UTC)History Lunatic