Talk:Celebrity Big Brother 2007 racism controversy

To Do List
Please add any tasks that need doing on this page here.
 * Refine tags
 * Generally clean up page.

Cleanup
Since I haven't time to cleanup this page, please do, especially the introduction. Thanks a lot. Trixovator 22:18, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Page moved
"Big Brother Racism Row" sounds like a newspaper headline, so I moved it to "Celebrity Big Brother 2007 racism controversy". - LeonWhite 23:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Great stuff, although I think that the year 2007 should be in brackets "(2007)" to maintain consistency on Wikipedia, but that is just pedantry and I'm glad that this article has been created. I've done a lot of work contributing to this controversy on the Shilpa Shetty article, but some of it has been messed up perhaps due to some editors who are perhaps not fully conversant with Wikipedia policies. So in any case, please feel fre to make use of User:Ekantik/Shilpa_Shetty where I have preserved the page "as was" with full details and all the references I collected. Ekantik talk 01:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Could it be racism and "bullying" controversy because that is the other main accusation? Fay06 16:28, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Page split from CCB2007
I've added a comment to the Separate Article section of the Main CBB 2007 talk entry. You may wish to continue the discussion there.

In summary - I do not agree that there was a concensus for spliting the article. However, I do feel that there is merit in doing so. I have given (what I regard as sound) reasons for this split and the continuation of this discussion may be more fruitful for the future of both this page and CBB 2007. Munta 16:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I am concerned this page has been created as a copy and paste of a section form the main Celebrity Big Brother 2007 article, without consensus gained for doing so. Personally, I see no point in splitting this into a separate article, but regardless of that you must gain consensus prior to merging this section and I have thus (once again) reverted this article to a redirect until consensus is reached. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 17:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The point is that this issue deserves its status as a separate article and there is no good reason for not doing so, not to mention there is precedent all of Wikipedia for this. AFAIK there is no need for "consensus" as such on things that are a given on Wikipedia. I agree that there is a problem with copy-paste: the article on the original CBB article should be substantially reduced and this should be the article where the affair is discussed in full. Ekantik talk 04:12, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * in your opinion. I'm sorry - I disagree on both counts. Firstly, I don't believe that this issue does deserve a separate article and I would not support this move. Secondly, we do need consensus. I haven't got a problem if you wish to be bold as long as it is not knowingly going against the consensus. This issue was discussed at Talk:Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK) and there was no consensus achieved for separating out this article. You can't therefore just go ahead and make the change anyhow. If you still wish to make the change, I suggest adding to the relevant section of Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK) and continue the discussion on that talk page, reaching a consensus before attempting the merge again. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 10:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Er, I didn't merge anything. The point is that this issue is a current affairs item and not a reducible issue, not to mention that it is ongoing. I'm afraid that "consensus" is actually unnecessary (IMHO) because when the issue is a current event, this automatically warrants a separate article being made for inclusion in Portal:Current Events, it doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is because there is enough precedent in Wikipedia for it. I'm glad that you have made reference to the concerned talk-page (I was an active participant in that discussion) but I would be happy to follow procedure vis-a-vis merging. The main problem is that the issue is too big to be contained in an article about the TV show and needs a separate article because the worldwide news controversy is ongoing.
 * Feel free to ask for an RFC - I already have done; the current advice is that the separate article deserves its separate status and that User:J Di moved it all to the TV-show article without consensus or discussion. If there is an issue with "consensus" then we should consider why the information was moved back into the main article for no discernible reason? That is also my view of the matter: It was wrong to move the information back to Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK) and it still is wrong. Ekantik talk 17:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)