Talk:Celine Dion/Archive 4

Academy Awards Record
"Additionally, for a record sixth time, Dion performed at the 83rd Academy Awards." What record is this? Is there any proof or conformation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.229.172 (talk) 01:42, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's sourced in several news articles, as well as in the article itself. Just do a Google News search. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 04:29, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2011

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: rough consensus not to move. Andrewa (talk) 06:26, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Celine Dion → Céline Dion — It's her name spelled correctly. I think modern naming standards would recommend to use correct naming where possible and appropriate (like in Gérard Depardieu). As acute accents over e are present even inside the English language (in words like émigré or café), this should not pose any problem. I know of no publicised name change of this artist. Her name is sourced with this spelling here. French Wikipedia's article is well sourced and spells her name as Céline Dion. TIA/--Paracel63 (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree. I've already showcased my support for the name change in the past, and this time it's no different. There should be no reason against the proposal; it is her real name, after all. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Her real, legal name is irrelevant. Per WP:COMMONNAME, it is the name that is most frequently used in English-language reliable sources. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose she does not use the accent in English: See this CD cover of hers, with no accent on her signature: [ http://www.amazon.com/Because-You-Loved-Me/dp/B002HIV0G6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300416197&sr=8-1 ]; it is also not the common form used in English. And as for her name, we use alot of different names for people, which are not necessarily their legal name, such as Gus Grissom, whose real name is Virgil Ivan Grissom, etc. 65.95.13.139 (talk) 02:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per my comment on the previous RFM, and I agree with 65.95, guys, you don't use accents and you don't have accents áéíóú on your keyboards. Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 03:12, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. — V = IR (Talk&thinsp;•&thinsp;Contribs) 04:05, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree per MOS:CA and per BalticPat22. Argolin (talk) 00:53, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Please explain your reasons under MOS:CA. That guideline says, "the title needs to be what an English speaker would most likely recognize as the usual name of the subject in actual usage." You have not made any specific argument that her French name (instead of her anglicized name without the accent) would most likely be recognized by an English speaker. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:15, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * 1. I forgot about the controversy over her refusal of the Felix Award for "English Artist of the Year" (thank-you 184.144.166.85).  Ms. Dion has made it quite clear she considers herself French.  This English wikipedia should respect that and, accordingly, spell her name of this biography per her wishes (in French not Anglicised).
 * 2. Zzyzx11, you did not include the first line from this Manual of Style:  "Note that Wikipedia's Use English guideline does not mean that the words in an article title must invariably be in English".  As I've noted below, without the accent acute, some websites find no hits like this one .  I can only assume that this WP:FA is missing citations due to the article name being contrary to WP:Manual of Style (Canada-related articles).  Everyone in Canada has heard of the Parti Québécois (short form PQ), the Bloc Québécois (short form BQ), and Romeo Leblanc.  These three article examples are named correctly per MOS:CA; this article is not.  This WP:FA article is missing text on her elevation to a Companion of the Order of Canada and references!!!.
 * 3. I didn't mention below that I corrected a typo from honor to honour.  To that spelling end, I've added the Canadian English to this talk page.  This banner has a link to a nebulous WP:ENGVAR.
 * 4. Per MOS:CA there will be a redirect from Celine Dion to Céline Dion.  Currently, the redirect points the opposite way.  The correction of this article to include the accent acute, will not impair the readability of any Anglophones.
 * 5. Any references to other WP:GUIDELINES are irrelevant (WP:COMMONNAME, WP:DIACRITICS, WP:Use English, etc).  Per #1 above they are suborinate to Ms. Dion's wishes (this being a WP:BLP).  Argolin (talk) 03:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose. English language wikipedia will use the most commonly-used name - in this case it's without the accents - as her publicity and CD covers display. In French language it's WITH the accents - but that's not what's being discussed here.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 02:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Another guideline that is also relevant is WP:NCP. Again, most reliable sources in English do not use the accent. And as others mentioned, she does not use the accent, professionally, on her publicity and CD covers that are written in English. As stated by a user during the previous move discussion, it is "very clear is that Celine Dion is used when [her official web site] is in English and Céline Dion is used when French is being used." Therefore, it can be argued that she uses "Celine", anglicized without the accent, as a specific stage name for her English speaking audience. And that is no case to change the title on the English Wikipedia, per WP:COMMONNAME.Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:58, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Another guideline that also comes into play is WP:DIACRITICS. But again with the other guidelines I mentioned, whether to use accents or other diacritics also depends on the general usage in English reliable sources. And again, most reliable sources in English do not use the accent. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just added three more sources. For the two English sources I've added, if you search without the accent acute  and here  you do not find a match.  With it you do:   and here .  Again, I believe the Canadian MoS guideline trumps all the wikipedia policies flying about. Argolin (talk) 21:37, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Argolin for those links. I would like to add something else. For someone to say that spelling her name with the acute accent would make a reader who is unfamiliar with the spelling not recognize her name is completely ridiculous. The MOS:CA guideline states, "the title needs to be what an English speaker would most likely recognize as the usual name of the subject in actual usage." I have complete confidence that a reader would be able to recognize her name with the acute accent. It's not like her name hasn't been utilized with the acute accent by the general media within the past 30 years. Furthermore the mentioning of her Anglophone albums not using the acute accent should not pertain to this discussion at all. That is purely a policy on Sony Music's marketing team to universalize - or Anglicize her name for the American market. The issue is whether her actual name should be used in the article. Her name, "Céline Dion" is how it is correctly spelled (and pronounced). I don't see why there is a need to Anglicize everything, especially when there should be no issue regarding recognition of her name from a non-Francophone reader. One acute accent on a letter will no all of a sudden make her name unrecognizabe; that is what a page direction is for. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 02:17, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Celine Dion rejected an anglophone award, teh 1990 Félix Award for Quebec's anglophone artist of the year; so she does not consider herself an anglophone artist, but she performed in Las Vegas, as "Celine Dion", clearly an anglophone venue, clearly without an accent. ... clearly in English, she does not use the accent, and the Las Vegas Show was hers, not Sony Music albums. 184.144.166.85 (talk) 06:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I understand what you're trying to convey, but her Anglophone albums and Las Vegas show doesn't pertain to the discussion, like I already showcased above. Also, what does her 1990 Felix Award rejection have to do with anything? It seems like you're contradicting yourself, or are at least conflicted. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 16:43, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose:per WP:COMMONNAME.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Associated Acts
I've noticed that many singers and musicians on wikipedia don't have their "associated acts" listed. Is there a reason for this?Finallyunderstood (talk) 13:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

SemiramideSutherland's "Voice" edits.
The statements that this user has placed in the "Voice" section do not reflect what is in the sources. For example, The user claims the quote, "To describes Dion's timbre, one can do a description quite near than that Rodolfo Celletti makes for Callas' instrument: Dion's voice, considered purely as sound is not really beautiful. It's a thin sound, which lacks velvet and varnish... yet her appeal is in part, precisely due to this fact. Why? Because for all its natural lack of varnish, velvet and richness, this voice can acquire such distinctive colours and timbres as to be unforgettable. However, Dion often exaggerates her nasality for expression or for effect, producing a sound which generally become acid and unsightly" came from the book, "Bel canto: a history of vocal pedagogy" by James Stark. However, when you do a search with the words "Celine" or "Dion" or "Callas" or "Maria Callas" nothing comes up: see here.

This is a major issue, and if the user keeps reverting these edits, then I will be forced to report him for vandalism, because the statements the user gave are obviously not in the source. Additionally, since the user has showcased that his/her sources cannot be trusted, I removed other sources that cannot be explicitely verified, and one's where it is highly doubtful that the sources came from the book. Case in point, Dion's quote where she states what her vocal style is. The book isn't an official biography and it is doubtful that she would be quoted in an unauthorized biography, such as the one from this book. I understand wanting to improve the article; that is one of the main responsibilites. However, these edits blatantly violate WP:V in the most obvious sense. If anyone has anything to add, please feel free. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, first of all, you don't have a right to remove everything just because one of the sources doesn't come up perfectly. Honestly, you don't have a say in calling it vandalism. The book you have there could be a different version or book, I think you should be posting this directly to him, and see what he says, not trying to set him up on the talk page.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   07:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


 * There isn't another edition that is available, and another user actually provided me with the details. If it wasn't for them, I would have never known that the user was placing false statements under the guise of a book source. Also, it's not a question of whether the statements were translated differently from the source. The problem is that the statements did not come from the source at all. I think that is pretty clear, here. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 18:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

World Popular Song Festival
The lead mentions that she won this in 1982, but a quick click to the link shows that the USA won it that year. Having looked at both external links in the article and specifically this one, it seems that she actually came third in the contest - but did win a "Best song" award. I've read countless biographies on musical performers which say that the artist won this contest but on closer inspection in many cases it is just that they were a finalist. Celine's biographers seem to be doing the same thing.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 09:30, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Range
As a professional classical musician with a degree in performance, I assure you that she does not have a five-octave range. I've tried repeatedly to correct that sentence, only to have it reversed because some author published a silly statement in ignorance. In the same sentence the author evaluates the singer's lung power. Just because the statement is in print does not mean the author is a trained vocal coach AND a physician with the singer's medical evaluation on hand. Apparently one published sentence, however foolish and unsupported, takes precedence over a word's definition! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.145.249 (talk) 17:24, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

It says Celine Dion has a 5 octave range. Is this humanly possible? I've heard this and similar (I suspect) urban myths with several singers before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_range http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uOpXK3t3D0


 * Well, extremist fans have stated that Mariah Carey has a 7 octave range, which is absolutely ridiculous and false. I personally believe that Celine possesses a 4-5 octave range and so does Mariah. Anyway, to answer your question, it is possible. The source that gave the info on her range is a reliable reference, also. BalticPat22Pat 18:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Mariah can reach notes in the 7th octave but never had 7 octaves. Her vocal register is 5 octaves, it is not gossip. It is proven on her records and lives performances, her highest is G#7 and her lowest is F2. Celine has 3.

Actually, Mariah has a 5 octave range. Celine's about 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.116.128.146 (talk) 15:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The article itself states that Celine possess a five octave range. Also, this isn't a forum, people. We shouldn't make this into a gossip column arguing about who has the higher vocal range. The talk page is for revisions and edits to the article, nothing more nothing less. BalticPat22Pat 22:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

from user: WestVoice... These are video which proves Celine Dion's studio vocal range and live vocal range... Studio: [] ... Live: [] —Preceding unsigned comment added by WestVoice (talk • contribs) 15:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

What's messed up about this article is that there are conflicting sources. Articles say she has a 5 octave vocal range, and then articles say her range is about from F3 to F6 whihc is exactly 3 octaves not five...doesn't make any sense.75.22.19.151 (talk) 17:08, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


 * F3 to F6 is 4 octaves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.92.212.115 (talk) 10:01, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

An article like those used as "proof" of Celine range barely can make a valid source, they only mention she has a 5 octave vocal range, like they're tons of articles stating that Mariah Carey has a 7 or 8 vocal range which is equally false. Celine vocal range is about 3 octaves and that could be proven on some videos posted on youtube where you can find proper explanations and audio files with her lowest and higher note. Please ammend her supposed 5 octave vocal range which is wrong and misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.116.128.146 (talk) 20:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

So, why they keep with the false statement that Celine has a 5 octave vocal range? she has never been close to 4. Her vocal range is 3 octaves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.208.80.71 (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Info on difference between article name and actual name?
I'm unsure if the current article has any info on the difference between her actual/legal name and her (English-speaking world) marketing/artist name. The latter one is the article's name at present. My proposal of article move to "Céline Dion" was rejected by the majority of posters the other day. So I thought the incoherence between article name and actual name at least should be pointed out somewhere. Madonna Louise Ciccone has her article placed under "Madonna" = an obvious case of artist name. "Celine Dion" is less clear of an artist name, probably making a lot of people think she actually has that name in private as well.

My attempt at pointing out that one incoherence – for the exclusive sake of clarity – at 23rd of March was quickly reverted by BalticPat22 with the explanation "Wholly unnecessary. Use the talk page if you feel passionate about keeping it." So here I am. Do you all think noting this fact is "wholly unnecessary"? Many TIA--Paracel63 (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit because it didn't universally reflect what all Anglophone nations perceive her name to be. Who is to say all English-speaking countries state her name to be without the acute accent? Also, you needed a source for it, because it was written like an original resources opinion. Lastly, the wording was a bit off. Now, I wasn't aware that the dicussion over her name was over, but another user placed the acute accent over her name, regardless and without any qualms from other users, so I digressed. But I am glad that you used the talk page so these discussions can be well utilized. BalticPat22Patrick (talk) 22:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the informative reasoning. I've been trying to find a source for any (official) statement regarding the spelling but haven't found any as of yet. Any legal document on her with name would be most welcome. I notice her official online biography in English doesn't seem to care about which is what (or maybe it's got a tongue-in-cheek, apolitical stance or even statement, her moving between both language areas at ease), while her official online biography in French is consistently _with_ the accent. Searching for her own preference in writing is a bit more clearer, but only slightly. Both image searching on Google for céline dion autographe and celine dion autograph lends to believe she really doesn't care for the accent. _But_ sometimes it may seem like the big C swash is bent over the first e like in a Cé ligature.


 * And sorry for using a bad wording (I'm from Sweden :-) ). But those things can often be dealt with, without having to delete content. Finding a universal standing from "all" English-speaking countries about her spelling is of course impossible, but some official person somewhere may have some info, like her record company or a quote from herself... I'd be very happy if anyone that has read any of the many books/biographies on C?line Dion could tune in. :-)--Paracel63 (talk) 12:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello once more. Am I the only one thinking the current mix of Celine and Céline spellings in the same article is less than unambiguous? I'm a bit surprised, to say the least. And Patrick, what should my wording have been?--Paracel63 (talk) 11:05, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Upcoming acting roles?
I have heard from several people that Celine has been given the role to play Mariah Callas is a movie. She has stated before that this is her dream. Even if she doesn't have the role, do you think we could add that she would like to play the role in like a future projects area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.55.170.113 (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Céline Dion spelling?
The move log says that Celine Dion has been moved to Céline Dion six times. Why does it keep getting moved back?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONAME, since most people cannot type the accent é, as well as many sources including Dion herself, it has been kept as that. (See above). Tb hotch * ۩  ۞ 03:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as we don't have a clear (official) statement/fact source about whether she is called Celine Dion or Céline Dion (what does the official biographies say? tax receipts/driver's licence etc?), this will probably continue. The current ambiguity is less than satisfying. And does anyone have an idea of a wording that could be put into the article (an article change that won't be reverted due to lack of references or the like – see above)? Many TIA.--Paracel63 (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Move wars over special characters in articles raged for several years. Fights have broken out over Istanbul (proudly showcased in WP:LAME, Elián González (oh, looks like it has the special characters again), Quang Duc, Ngo Diem, and Guantánamo. There's probably a lot more examples, but those are just the classic ones. hbdragon88 (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what redirects are for. It doesn't matter if people can't type the é. Just call the article "Céline Dion", and have a redirect at "Celine Dion" which points to it. That catches all the people typing it without the é. 109.145.141.207 (talk) 17:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirects only work within Wikipedia - in others words a Google search would not find the article because of spelling. Moxy (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Moxy, sorry but you're completely wrong, at least if you ask my computer. :) With the accent, it's third (on my computer) and without the accent it's fifth. So, IMO, we have nothing to worry about Wikipedia's visibility, and we can write it correctly. -- Frous (talk) 02:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Or is the Google case different in different countries? -- Frous (talk) 02:58, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The main point is that she uses "Celine" in her English language works, so we use the Anglicized name. BTW, Japanese Google shows third for "Céline" and fifth for "Celine", but second on both searches is www.celinedion.com, her official site, where she spells it "Celine".&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, she spells it both ways. See the biography section, for instance. :-)--Paracel63 (talk) 13:02, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Here There & Everywhere
Where (in this article or one of the discographies) is it appropriate to mention her cover version of the Beatles' song, "Here, There and Everywhere", from George Martin's 1998 album, In My Life? GoingBatty (talk) 02:37, 24 November 2011 (UTC) LEGACY What was titled " legacy " on Celine's article should rather be  titled Awards and Honors.Receiving recognitions/honors for a "commercially " successful career and having a legacy are two different things  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.115.185.240 (talk) 13:34, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Voice section
A lot of false sources in this section:

According to various sources, Dion possesses a five-octave vocal range.[204][205][206][207] Regarding the power of Dion's voice, Regine Crespin states, "The volume as such is thin, but thanks to her perfect mastery of the nasal backing, her voice acquires an incisive and penetrating timbre, with a great harmonic richness."[208] Dion states she is a mezzo-soprano,[209] while Regine Crespin and André Tubeuf state she is probably a lyric soprano.[208] However, attempts to adopt classical voice types to other forms of singing has been met with controversy.[210] Without making a classification, maestro Kent Nagano remarked, "All you just sang was soprano," after Dion auditioned with two solos of Carmen, wanting to know if she could sing opera.[209] Her timbre has been described as "fresh,"[208] as well as "thin, slightly nasal, nearly vibratoless,"[211] with a "raspy" lower register and "bell glass-like high notes."[212] According to French soprano, Regine Crespin, Dion's voice is "comparable to oboe, because of its nasal and fruity timbre and it is mordant in high notes."[208] Crespin is also circumspect about Dion's highest notes, stating, "She doesn't have a head voice," further remarking, "she uses falsetto," which is "disconnected to the normal voice body."[208]

The source for this section is Bel Canto: A history of vocal pedagogy, a book that has NO mention of Celine Dion: http://books.google.com/books?id=rVFQdViY7jAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Bel+Canto:+A+history+of+vocal+pedagogy.&cd=1#v=onepage&q=celine%20dion&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.122.203 (talk) 19:26, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

It is a shame that the claim of a five-octave vocal range of a human being can stay for months in Wikipedia, against all rules on citation and sincerity. You can "cite" as many boulevard press articles, it will not make the ridiculous claim true, it only displays outrageous obstinacy. 77.190.64.216 (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Five-Octave range is correct. It´s used when you dont really know your exactly range (note-note), so you take all full octaves in which you can sing (in Celine Dion case: 2nd, 3th, 4th, 5th and 6th = 5 octave). But even if she was measured by professional for her vocal range, it´s very tricky, because there is no clue for what is part of your range and what is not (eg. Mariah Carey¨s whistle is not consider as a part of normal vocal range, etc.). MaricS198 (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Who said an octave starts at a specific note? An octave is simply a specific range that can start anywhere, so it's quite confusing to say someone can sing in a certain octave. Granted, the scientific pitch notation is defined in terms of octaves starting at C, so talking about the nth octave may have some merit in this context. But when talking about random ranges, an octave is just 12 consecutive semitones. Anyway, the term vocal range should reflect the number of notes between the lowest and highest notes usable for singing. Using that definition, the five-octave claim is absolutely ridiculous. If someone has a range from B2-C6, for example, that would count as just over three octaves, not five. Also, how is an article in some boulevard magazine, written by a random gossip reporter, that merely mentions a bit of perceived trivia like vocal range in passing, with the sole intention to embellish the sentence, a substantial source for said piece of trivia? How does such a source pass the test of encyclopedicness, especially for such a far-fetched claim? I don't get it. The fact that different journalists copy each other's lies unchecked doesn't make outright falsehoods any truer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.27.24.208 (talk) 23:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

No mention of autotune?
Consider: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/auto-tune.html I don't know if that's considered "source" worthy... but whatever, common knowledge is sometimes hard to find a resource for I guess. I spent 3 minutes looking it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.183.247 (talk) 05:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 12 November 2012
Hi,

There is a small detail that is missing under "Personal Life" of Wikipedia's article on Celine Dion: It says "On Saturday, October 23, 2010, at 11:11 and 11:12 am respectively, at St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach, Florida, Dion, by Caesarean section, gave birth to two healthy fraternal twins weighing and ." As you may have noticed, the weights are not mentioned. Therefore, please change "On Saturday, October 23, 2010, at 11:11 and 11:12 am respectively, at St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach, Florida, Dion, by Caesarean section, gave birth to two healthy fraternal twins weighing and ." to "On Saturday, October 23, 2010, at 11:11 and 11:12 am respectively, at St. Mary's Medical Center in West Palm Beach, Florida, Dion, by Caesarean section, gave birth to two healthy fraternal twins.". Or better, fill in the missing details.

Thank you for your help.

116.68.122.2 (talk) 17:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. This sentence already has too much detail for a BLP article but proper grammar is more important than proper level of detail IMO. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:46, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 November 2012
Please change "According to various sources, Dion possesses a five-octave vocal range." to "According to various sources, Dion possesses a three-octave range."

Stefano jay (talk) 15:16, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The article has four sources, all from reliable publications, that state that Ms. Dion has a five-octave vocal range. While you have provided a source that supports your position, that source is a blog and therefore not a reliable source. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

What happens often is that one octave too much is counted. The "publications" are not examining the vocal range, they are just giving it as a commonplace, it's a self-reproducing mistake. 5 octaves would be close to a medical mystery. This has been mentioned by at least one opera singer in this discussion. BTW one of the publications just does not state the range, it's a false citation. As the German article on vocal range states, a common range for a professional singer is 3 octaves. Also, 4 citations of "reliable publications" do not make up for one serious citation, they just seem to try too hard and are, hence, embarrassing. There are sources saying 3.5 octaves, and that's a very good vocal range, and much more plausible within human limits. 80.186.195.172 (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

The five-octave vocal range nonsense should be deleted, since none of the cited sources (i.e. general newspaper articles) are in any way substantial with regard to that specific bit of information. At the very least, the article should reflect that a five-octave vocal range is highly dubious even for a trained singer, that about three octaves is much more likely and can easily be proven given Dion's records, that an ongoing controversy exists regarding that tidbit, that the five-octave claim has never been proven (which should be quite easy), and that no reputable scientific/non-news source verifying that claim can be found. If any of that is wrong, the article or the cited sources should reflect that, too. Citing my words from archive page 4: "Who said an octave starts at a specific note? An octave is simply a specific range that can start anywhere, so it's quite confusing to say someone can sing in a certain octave. Granted, the scientific pitch notation is defined in terms of octaves starting at C, so talking about the nth octave may have some merit in this context. But when talking about random ranges, an octave is just 12 consecutive semitones. Anyway, the term vocal range should reflect the number of notes between the lowest and highest notes usable for singing. Using that definition, the five-octave claim is absolutely ridiculous. If someone has a range from B2-C6, for example, that would count as just over three octaves, not five. Also, how is an article in some boulevard magazine, written by a random gossip reporter, that merely mentions a bit of perceived trivia like vocal range in passing, with the sole intention to embellish the sentence, a substantial source for said piece of trivia? How does such a source pass the test of encyclopedicness, especially for such a far-fetched claim? I don't get it. The fact that different journalists copy each other's lies unchecked doesn't make outright falsehoods any truer." 178.27.36.55 (talk) 19:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template.. --Canoe1967 (talk) 00:07, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Featured in hungarian wikipedia
Hi! [http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9line_Dion Hi! Please somebody insert] a template! Thanks, 46.35.206.137 (talk) 16:39, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Done by dot on the 23 aswell.Moxy (talk) 19:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Slight error
Hi. Section 1993-95 references her winning "World’s Best-selling Canadian Female Recording Artist of the Year". This should be "World’s Best-selling Female Recording Artist of the Year". Thanks, BillFlemingbh (talk) 14:56, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 April 2013
Celine Dion has sold over 240 million albums and is the top selling female artist in history according to Sony recording company.

Kristenmanty15 (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
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Requested move 3

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 18:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Celine Dion → Céline Dion – Céline has a é in it, so I don't see why the article isn't named as such? How can this article be an FA when her name is spelt wrong? Beyoncé Knowles' article has the é in the article name, so there's no reason why Céline's shouldn't either. — AARON  • TALK   11:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Observation. I am presuming that the reason the English-language Wikipedia article doesn't have the accented e (é) is that her name is commonly used without the accent in English language publications; in contrast the native-language French Wikipedia article (here) does authentically include the accent.  Distinguish: Beyoncé Knowles references use the accent in her native English. RCraig09 (talk) 14:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a question of how publications write it, it's a question of how her name is spelt, and it's spelt with the accent. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   14:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Celine herself uses two versions of her name depending on the language market. All her English-language albums use Celine, whereas all her French-language albums use Céline.  So on that basis, if the artists uses "e" on English material, then as this is English Wikipedia, consistency would prevail.  Same would apply for French Wikipedia, as Celine uses "é" on French material, then correctness would be é on French Wikipedia.  As long as we provide explanation in the article about the two variations, then I see no need to change the article name.  Céline Dion redirects to Celine Dion anyway for those who search using either spelling.  So is there really an important need to move the article?  If we did, then Celine Dion would redirect to Céline Dion and no major changes would have occurred.
 * The Evidence - English version of Celine's official website uses Celine, while the French version of the same website uses Céline.  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  16:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Where does it says that in the article? Because the first line of the lead where it says her full name uses the accent. —  AARON  &bull; TALK   17:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read my comments Aaron, who chose to read something completely different? I'm confused with your question.  Where does what say what in the article?  I've provided evidence from the official website which uses both variations of her name.  Perhaps you're taking this matter up with the wrong people?  If Celine wishes to only use the accent for her French-language material, then that would be her choice.  As far as it would concern here, the artists doesn't use the accent on English material, so consistency should follow - and by that I mean no accent on the E on English Wiki, and with accent on the É on French wiki.  As long as on this article we explain why there's two versions of her name, then there would be no need to move the article.  Besides anyone visiting Wikipedia would still be directed to the same article regardless of whether they type Celine (English spelling) or Céline (French spelling).   Wesley  ☮  Mouse  18:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Surely it's just easier to have it as her name is actually spelt? —  AARON  &bull; TALK   18:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Previous Requested Move. The issue was previously discussed in 2011 at Archive_4#Requested_move_2011 with a "rough consensus not to move." There was also some activity in 2006: Archive_1#Accents_in_article_name and Archive_1#Celine_or_C.C3.A9line.3F. RCraig09 (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. It is not misspelled, Dion uses both forms, the thing is that she uses "Celine" in the English world, and "Céline" is the French. You can check her albums and you will find that in all her English albums she uses "Celine", while in most French albums she uses "Céline". Also multiple references prefer "Celine", so WP:COMMONAME applies. On the other hand, as you may have intended to say, the article should say something about her "Celine" alternative name. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  19:22, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - she signs the preface in her authorized autobiography My Story My Dream, "Dear Georges-Hérbert, ... Celine", the book uses French diacritical marks (what wikipedia jargon oddly calls "diacritics") throughout except for one person, the English-Canadian Celine Dion. On p62 she cites her mother saying "If you're so smart Celine Dion...", the same CDs are released in French with the accent and English without. Whether it's a [{WP:STAGENAME]], a marketing decision, or whatever it is, she wants to be known as suLEEN to English markets and SAYlin to Francophone markets. 2 differing IPA pronunciations, for both names, should be added to the infobox. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:STAGENAME and WP:COMMONAME. As previously stated in the previous move discussions, she uses "Celine" without the accent mark basically as a stage name for English-speaking countries. As a result, this becomes the most common name used by most English language reliable sources. Zzyzx11 (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Since she uses both (one for English-speaking and one for French-speaking), it's best to go by the English one on English Wikipedia. — Status  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 11:25, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Celine edits her name depending on whether it is a French or English document. This is the English Wikipedia so there is no reason to try and make it a French one.--Canoe1967 (talk) 12:21, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per my comments above.  Wesley  ☮  Mouse  13:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Featured article review needed
This article has grown considerably since it passed FAC many years ago, and an update/review is needed to see if it still meets FA standards. At first glance, there is a good deal of uncited text, there are some poor sources flagged, and the article has lost focus, with too much detail (see for example the indiscriminate lists in legacy and the minutiae listed in the 2011-present section. Must we discuss everytime she moves?  A prose review is also needed, sample only: Whose attempts?  How does that relate? Uncited text in personal life. Sourcing?   A Featured Article review is needed to evaluate this article relative to FA standards.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:06, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
 * However, attempts to adapt classical voice types to other forms of singing have been met with controversy.

5 Octaves is BS
Are you all kidding? This was critisized years ago! All that changed was that the article now cites numerous yellowpress articles. It doesn't matter how many unreliable sources cnp'd this nonsense; BTW Reliable sources. It's a miscalculation. It's 4, not 5 octaves. There is never 1.5 octaves between the real span and the theoretical span. 0.5 is extremely plausible. Apparently Mrs. Dion did never read her own WP article in these years and changed it. Not very cool. 95.90.216.39 (talk) 04:32, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

"Decided to make her a star"
The statement that her manager "decided to make her a star" is clichéd and unencyclopedic and ought to be removed.Royalcourtier (talk) 05:38, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2016
Please add the death of René Angelil, and all the news of 2016. On several interviews, Céline provided a lot of information on René illness and death.

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Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2016
Many artists have either mentioned Dion as a major influence or as one of their favourite singers including: Britney Spears, Rihanna, Rita Ora, Christina Aguilera, Frank Ocean, Adele, Josh Groban, Delta Goodrem, Jordin Sparks, Charice, Leona Lewis, Jessie J, Troye Sivan, Selena Gomez,, Carly Rae Jepsen, , Frankie Grande, ,Pia Mia,  , Ally Brooke, Normani Kordei, Twenty One Pilots, Christina Grimmie, Jojo, Lea Michele,  Jennifer Hudson, Ariana Grande, Regine Velasquez, Taylor Swift, Vanessa Hudgens, The Canadian Tenors, Faith Hill, Katy Perry, Sevyn Streeter,  Kelly Clarkson, Helena Paparizou and Lara Fabian, among many others. In the liner notes of Lara Fabian's album Toutes les femmes en moi, Fabian expressed how she had idolized Dion since her adolescence, even writing: "I would follow note by note your musicality, your passion, sung like only your voice can give colors to the harmony." Country singer Martina McBride is widely heralded by the press as the Celine Dion of Country music.

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2016
Everythingforcd (talk) 21:32, 24 September 2016 (UTC) image = https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoUqGm1XYAAPq3O.jpg |caption = Dion in 2016
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Changing the status of Celine's husband
Some of the paragraphs still refer to Rene Angelil in the present tense. As he is now deceased, should this not be changed to past tense? 164.151.196.162 (talk) 16:16, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 September 2017
Please change parents's small piano bar to parents' small piano bar because the correct possessive form of a plural noun ending in s is without a second s after the apostrophe. Thank you. MatterHorne (talk) 00:20, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Genre
Please add Adult Contemporary to the list of genres. She is the avatar for the Adult Contemporary page. Bmuzzy (talk) 17:56, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

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Fashion Icon
Should we add an article about the fact that she became a fashion Icon? Maybe we should put something in the 2017 section. She has been called Fashion Icon by Vanity Faire, Vogue, Harper Bazaar, Elle. I think that worth a mention. What do you think ?

Yes,that could be good Zesande Hloba (talk) 09:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion
How about we add some of her songs that could also widen her famousity Zesande Hloba (talk) 09:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2018
Celine Dion should be included in the Category: Canadian Female Singers 199.7.157.123 (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This article is already included in Category:Canadian female pop singers, which is a subcategory of Category:Canadian female singers. Per Wikipedia's categorization guidelines (specifically this section), an article should not be duplicated in the parent category if it is already included in a subcategory. EclipseDude (talk) 23:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Eurovision
Neither this article, nor the article on the 1988 Eurovision contest, explains how Celine Dion, a Canadian, was allowed to represent Switzerland. EDIT: according to Rules of the Eurovision Song Contest, there is no requirement that the performer of a song be a national of the country being represented, or even a European citizen. This should be added to Dion's article. 50.66.121.20 (talk) 04:14, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 December 2018
98.196.174.218 (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2018 (UTC) Pls let me write something... i am not her to vandelise any thing eventhough i could plzzzz
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2019
"Dion was born in Charlemagne, Quebec, 15 miles west of Montreal," -  Charlemagne is east of Montreal. This is important because the western areas are more Anglophone and the eastern areas are more Francophone. Just verify on the Wikipedia page for Charlemagne. 24.157.202.42 (talk) 03:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done I've actually changed it to northeast, because that's what the Charlemagne, Quebec article states. NiciVampireHeart</b> 16:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Celine Dion for deletion
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Minor edit under "2014–present: Husband's death, Encore un soir and Courage" section
The following sentence needs a grammar correction: "On 14 January 2016, she cancelled the rest of the January performances due to her husband's and her brother's death from cancer."

"Death" should be "deaths" so as not to imply her husband and brother are the same person. Thanks! --76.8.67.132 (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2019
Introduction :

Please, could you change/add : Plead add the category Canadian Female Singers Category:Canadian female singers

"record sales of over 200 million copies worldwide" to "nearly 250M albums sold" according to Billboard https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7776996/the-illustrious-career-of-celine-dion and "a total of 300M records sold" according to the Huffington https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rihanna-is-not-the-best-selling-black-female-artist_b_57f1957be4b095bd896a12a5 and is the second best selling female artist of all time.

Her net worth is not $700M but $800M according to Networthcelebrity https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/celine-dion-net-worth/

Vocals is not her only instrument, she also plays the piano : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP822YPjy2M

That she not only has the most successful residency of all time but also the second most successful residency of all time https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8491648/highest-grossing-las-vegas-residencies

Legacy section :

Some artists should also be added in the list of artists who cited Céline as an influence or idol :

PINK: "I am constantly inspired by you" https://www.instagram.com/p/Bg90m86loIk/

SOHYANG: "She used to listen to artists Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, and Celine Dion often, whose music helped her to get through these difficult times" http://isplus.live.joins.com/news/article/article.asp?total_id=8901149&cloc=

KATY PERRY : "She's my hero" https://twitter.com/katyperry/status/1026936684426883072

LADY GAGA : " I sang your songs over and over again as a child" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpwPhh91w2Q

LARA FABIAN : "She's my biggest inspiration" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qb5X6s_STE and https://www.facebook.com/LaraFabianTheVoiceOfPassion/posts/i-accidentally-found-this-on-the-internet-have-never-seen-this-until-now-this-wa/973768039305338/

TORI KELLY : "i love you so much" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n50MbtbeGi8 and https://twitter.com/torikelly/status/832861431729000449

RIHANNA : "I love Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Bob Marley. I would watch their videos all day long on TV because that's what they would play in the Caribbean. I would start mimicking everything I heard" https://www.axs.com/4-artists-who-were-influenced-by-celine-dion-67233

AVA MAX : "Growing up, i listened to Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Céline Dion" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaxkNJBn6Qc

DEMI LOVATO : Demi Lovato reveals how Eminem, Celine Dion, and Christina Aguilera influenced her "My heart will go on is the first song i performed in public" https://ew.com/music/2017/09/29/demi-lovato-soundtrack-of-my-life/

ANASTACIA : "I've always been very affected by her music, i often tried to sound like her" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7IyCFXfL7g

SELENA GOMEZ :"I'm not the best singer — like, I know I'm not Céline Dion” "Selena Gomez hangs out with her idol Celine Dion backstage before the superstar singer's Las Vegas show" https://www.news24.com/You/Archive/selena-gomez-im-not-the-best-singer-20170728 and https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3490712/Selena-Gomez-hangs-idol-Celine-Dion-backstage-superstar-singer-s-Las-Vegas-show.html

RITA ORA : "Rita Ora tells us what it was like to meet her idol" https://planetradio.co.uk/cool-fm/entertainment/celebrity/rita-ora-tells-us-like-meet-idol/

CARLY RAE JEPSEN : "You know I wish I had. Celine Dion I think for all of us girl singers in Canada is one of those iconic voices who you listen to and you train yourself by following along to every one of her ballads. She is an absolute icon. I would love, love, love to see it. I really admire her career, too, and the decision she’s made of keeping her family and getting to still perform and do it all. " http://thepoweroflove-celinedion.blogspot.com/2016/01/carly-rae-jepsen-celine-dion-is.html

SHANIA TWAIN : “I think everybody has learned how to make the scenario work through the experience of Celine” http://www.wwgp1050.com/2012/11/24/shania-twain-thanks-celine-dion-for-making-caesars-palace-residency-a-pleasure/

PRINCE : "Prince asked Celine Dion for advice on Las Vegas" https://www.centraltelegraph.com.au/news/prince-asked-celine-dion-advice-las-vegas/3031835/ Ovie9 (talk) 17:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Partially done I updated records sold and added the results of the 2d residency. I'd like a better source for claiming she's a pianist; did a search and find no mention of it. I did not add the artists influenced by her. The article already lists nearly 40, more are unnecessary. I did not add the category as the article is already categorized under "Canadian female rock singers" which is a child category of "Canadian female singers".  Schazjmd   (talk)  23:11, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Image changes
What is wrong with changing her picture from old one into recent one? I don't know what is wrong with that, as it is the policy. --노유찬 (talk) 17:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no policy that requires a recent image to be used in the infobox. <b style="color:#4169E1;">Ə</b> XPLICIT 00:38, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I thought it was in policy, but it was in guidelines. Anyway, not require, but encourage. Don't play with words, please. We all know that recent image reflects her better than the old image. --노유찬 (talk) 17:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Then I don't understand, what's your concern? If someone changed her image from old one to new one, its a good thing.--Biografer (talk) 01:34, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Facts
According to forbes her net worth is $450 million Also she considers herself still married to Rene Angelil and he was the only man she ever kissed and loved. And her stylist and dancer Pepe munoz is an openly gay man. Celine has stated she has no nannies to look after her children she has the help from her sister and mom.

Celine doesn’t have any eating disorders and eats whatever she wants she just works out now. Celine twins sleep with her ever since the passing of her beloved husband rene TiannaRoberto31 (talk) 06:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on October 12, 2019
Please change Céline's name from Celine Dion to Céline Dion. She's always been credited as the actual spelling of her name, Céline Dion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5290:2EB0:E810:CAEB:396C:919B (talk) 16:02, 12 October 2019 (UTC)