Talk:Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy

Poisoning the well & UFPJ membership
If CRESP is but one of more than 1,300 international and United States-based organizations that belong to UFPJ, that's hardly notable enough to include here, particularly when one notes that it was inserted with such strongly non-neutral language it was obvious the it was intended to poison the well:  I've cleaned it up,  but if it is to remain in the article some basis for why this is notable needs to be presented. FeloniousMonk 23:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * If it's accurate, so what? It shows CRESP's political biases. You don't think twice about accusing Christian Right figures of Dominionism. Non-neutral language, you don't seem to mind using non-neutral language in the items you post.


 * The language I used is indeed neutral, per WP:WTA. It's well sourced and NPOV compliant. Besides, you don't own the article.WP:OWN.--Pravknight 23:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So it's about illustrating "CRESP's political biases." Thanks for proving my point. So far it's a non-notable factoid since CRESP belongs to many groups, and the language your chose betrayed your agenda of poisoning the well. You're already the subject of a heavily endorsed user conduct RFC for this sort of stuff, and been blocked once for it. I'd think after that you'd take the comments at your RFC to heart and contribute to the project in a more constructive manner and not continue with the POV campaigning. FeloniousMonk 23:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


 * What's the problem with showing the political biases of groups obviously you support, say compared with your baseless accusation that people like Paul Weyrich or James Dobson want to impose Old Testament law upon the United States? I thought that if something was factual and verifiable, it was kosher. That's what you told me about TheocracyWatch. If Paul's a theocrat, then maybe you could find a first-hand reference of the kind I provided. Are you not aware that United for Peace and Justice was founded by the Communist Party USA and a number of Marxist groups, and according to the Commmunist Party USA Web site Joelle Fishman an officer of the CPUSA is a member of the steering committee? Tell me, why are you so worried about people knowing that CRESP belongs to an organization populated by the Ruckus Society, CodePink and the Communist Party USA?
 * The vast majority of the UNFPJ's members are pretty extreme on the Left side of the spectrum. The important thing about UNFPJ is who founded it. For me to a belong to a group on the right akin to the UNFPJ, it would be akin to belonging to a group founded or run by the Nazis. Are you afraid of the truth?


 * Deal with the substance here, not my personality, or your efforts to railroad me with a phony RfC signed by your friends. Let's stop applying the rules differently when they make you uncomfortable.


 * Why is it poisoning the well to point out the fact CRESP is involved with a pretty radical group? Are you afraid of the truth? NPOV doesn't mean just FeloniousMonk's point of view. I'm for balance, and diversity of opinions, expressed fairly is a good idea, don't you think?


 * TheocracyWatch can't prove it's claims, but I can prove these.


 * There's nothing for me to learn from the RfC except some people are afraid of having their worldviews challenged, or from being restrained from pressing their anti-religious political agendas. If you don't like my "POV campaigning," then why do you do it yourself?


 * What do you call your series of hit pieces on the Christian Right about the supposed threat of "Dominionism," if it's not POV campaigning? Why is it every article you have posted on politics or religion expresses a Left of center POV? If I missed one, show me. I guess that's not POV campaigning, right?


 * Just in case you hadn't noticed, 49 of the 50 states say God is the ultimate authority, and it's spelled out in their constitutions.


 * How is expressing a more neutral perspective that is closer to the center of the political spectrum a threat to Wikipedia? What makes your POV superior to mine? --Pravknight 03:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * "For me to a belong to a group on the right akin to the UNFPJ, it would be akin to belonging to a group founded or run by the Nazis. Are you afraid of the truth?" Hyperbole much? Again, your language betrays your intent. Unless you provide a justification as to why CRESP's membership in UFPJ is more notable than it's membership in other groups that don't warrant mention, it's coming out. I'm giving you a chance to make your case... work with me here. FeloniousMonk 17:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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