Talk:Central America/Archive 5

Should the "Languages" subsection link to the page for Central American Spanish?
I'm wondering why the section on languages has a link to Central American Spanish. I understand that this is the dominant and official language in Central America, but the "Languages" section in Middle East doesn't have a link to Arabic, for example. To me, it seems odd to link to just one language when this section is supposed to focus on linguistic diversity.

Additionally, when you search "Indigenous Languages of Central America", the result redirects to this section. And I'm not sure if this section is good enough to act as a source on indigenous Central American languages because it leaves out a lot of languages. It might be better to just start a separate article for that subject.

Ourdearbenefactor (talk) 06:25, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Now that I understand the "See also" function better, I understand why Middle East does not have one for Arabic; the article is already linked in the body.
 * I also think it might be wise to add pages for other languages/language families in Central America. I will add some, but feel free to remove, if need be.
 * Ourdearbenefactor (talk) 06:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Mexico
Is Mexico part of Central America? In the article it states that in Britain and in UN it is include, but it also says it is bordered by Mexico. In other parts of the article Mexico is included in events others not. In most of the maps it is not included. Dja1979 (talk) 02:18, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * We can include Mexico because some sources include it, but it should be represented by the light green colour with a note stating that its inclusion is not universally agreed. Vic Park (talk) 07:30, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Mexico not included?
I know it's a matter of debate whether Mexico should or shouldnt be in Central America. But the UN Geoscheme *does* list Mexico as being in Central America. What would be the sources opposing Mexico's inclusion? Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


 * IMO the UN should use another name for this subregion, e.g. Middle America, instead of Central America. As for this article, I support the idea to include both Mexico and Clipperton Island, but there should be a note attached stating "sometimes included", so readers know they are the outliers of this subregion.


 * Continental subregions have always been determined by geopolitical, economic, and/or cultural reasons. There are simply no universally accepted definitions for classifying which countries belong to which subregion. People waste time fighting over these definitions are just stupid.


 * Due to a lack of significant geographic barrier, some countries will fall into the "transregional country" category. For example, countries like Afghanistan and Iran can be considered part of either Western, Central, or South Asia. There are no right or wrong answers. The best practice is including them in all three subregions with a note "often/sometimes/occasionally included" attached, indicating how likely would this country be included in this subregion. For example, Afghanistan is often included as a part of Central Asia, sometimes included as a part of South Asia, and occasionally included as a part of Western Asia. Iran is often included as a part of Central Asia, sometimes included as a part of Western Asia, and occasionally included as a part of South Asia. 120.16.228.195 (talk) 17:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I would say we should also put back that the British refer to Mexico as being in Central America in the different definitions section. It was removed on 29 Jan 2019 saying it's discussed elsewhere but I'm not sure it is and why that would make a difference. Dja1979 (talk) 17:09, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Support inclusion of Mexico, but not Clipperton Island. Clipperton Island should be a part of Oceania. The island was a part of French Polynesia until 2007. It has no political or cultural association with Central America or North America. Vic Park (talk) 07:25, 29 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The UN geoscheme specifically states that: "the assignment of countries or areas to specific groupings is for statistical convenience and does not imply any assumption regarding political or other affiliation of countries or territories" and can not serve as some single source (with some British archaic misconception) to artificially reclassify Mexico under some ethnoracial guidelines ...Stop trying to push us south whiteys — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.126.135 (talk) 00:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Should we include Mexico on this page?
I don't know if we ever discussed this proposal in the past, but if we already did, please let me know so I can remove this conversation. I think Wikipedia's policy is if you want to make major changes to an article requires support from other editors through the talk page. I understand this is a conversation that should not be worth dying on a hill for, but I would like to at least seek clarification. My readings of North America talk about how our continent is split into three different "subregions". The consensus of those articles is that Mexico is included in Central America due to the U.N. Geoscheme considers Mexico a member of Central America.

However, I also happen to notice that Mexico is not included in this article but neither in the Northern America article so where does Mexico belong? How come in several articles, we assume it is in Central America but on this article, it isn't included? LostKlaus (talk) 22:06, 31 October 2022 (UTC)


 * There is a difference between Northern America and North America. That's why you can't see Mexico listed there. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 04:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * All these terms mean different things to different people. Sometimes the use of Central America includes Mexico, sometimes it doesn't. This article should reflect the due weight of the usage. I don't know what you mean by "include Mexico", but I note it is included in the Definitions section. CMD (talk) 05:36, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Old data in some aspects
I want to ask the editors if it is possible to update all the data by taking the information from the Spanish version of "Central America" in Wikipedia because there they have more up-to-date numbers and data and all of that have his own citations and references, so it is a great waste not to use the most accurate data from the right site. And there is also this site called datosmacro that continually updates so it is an option if necessary. These are the links of the sites: https://datosmacro.expansion.com/paises/groups/sistema-integracion-centroamericana https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Am%C3%A9rica_Central — Preceding unsigned comment added by CostaRicaEditor (talk • contribs) 00:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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The .svg showing the countries is too confusing
The image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag-map_of_Central_America.svg assumes that you know and can recognize all of the flags used to identify each of the countries (at least, I presume those are the countries' flags).

Instead, the map should be labelled, preferably with a solid colour for each country. If the flags are incorporated, the entire flag could be shown as additional information, but they should not be the primary identifier. 199.166.14.84 (talk) 16:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Reverted edits stating that Mexico is a part of Central America
Upon further research I am reverting my edits, Mexico is not a part of Central America and the UN's definition should not be shaded in as it is purely for statistical convenience. The UN's website states: "'The designations employed and the presentation of material at this site do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of the Secretariat of the United Nations concerning the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers or boundaries.'" This is clearly communicating that the borders provided by the UN should not be used. – Treetoes023 (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2023 (UTC)


 * That statement is basically a disclaimer notifying the readers that the UN does not want to get involved in territorial disputes among its member states (e.g. the Falkland Islands dispute between the United Kingdom and Argentina, Gibraltar between the United Kingdom and Spain, Western Sahara's legal status, the Kashmir dispute between India, Pakistan, and China etc.). Vic Park (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment Continents and continental subregions are generally defined by political or cultural convention. There are no authoritative organizations in charge of defining the extent of these regions. In real life, every organization, including some private companies, is capable of making their own definitions. For Central America, most sources only include seven countries, but some sources also include Mexico. In Wikipedia, we don't define continental subregions. In my opinion, both versions should be mentioned as per WP:NPOV. Vic Park (talk) 18:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)