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Singapore City
Singapore City and the Republic of Singapore are practically non-dual. Historically before 1959 Singapore City was literally the entire mainland before urban development. Back then the Japanese also referred Syonan-To as the entire main island that Singapore today is built upon, you don't just step foot on the Causeway and say things like "an MRT train ride to the Singapore city". While the city area refers inevitably to Shenton, if you go around defining a small circle surrounding the City Hall as the City of Singapore, you end up with a big problem when they further redevelop Jurong East and Lakeside as the hub that is way bigger than Orchard. In fact, whoever redirected Singapore City and City of Singapore to Central Area must have been living in prehistory, these days kids will rather go straight to JEMS than visit what you refer as the "City".

Areas that are considered as non-Singapore City are probably the surrounding islands, e.g. Pulau Ubin. In other words, if you exclude Ubin and Jurong Island from "Singapore City" or even Sentosa Island, I can let you go with one eye closed. In brief, the City of Singapore includes everything from the Changi Airport till the Tuas Checkpoint, the Woodlands Causeway Point till the Marina Barrage, thusly including the Lakeside and Jurong area that will become the next big hub obscuring what is previously Orchard and Dhoby Ghaut in future years where commercial and industrial value is reckoned. Why is this important? Because Johor Bahru itself is a city, if Singapore City excludes Jurong, Changi and Woodlands why will you want a bunch of Boon Lay, Changi and Woodlands folks shopping at a "Singapore City" when it is way cheaper and nearer visiting both JB and even Taiwan or Hainan on an ordinary day? Central Area is the central area. Singapore City and Singapore Island are respectively Singapore City and Singapore Island. The Republic of Singapore can include Ubin and Tekong for all we care.

However if Central Area is Singapore City and vice versa, I am almost definitely going to Jurong City the next eight years instead of Singapore City if I want to find nice food and shopping. Central Area today is hopeless as a standalone city!

Linrx (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I just saw this. There has been some ambiguity about Singaporean place articles. I just proposed this over here so that the community as a whole can debate and decide. If you would like to help out, please add your name here --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:18, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, I found one source referring it as "City Area" over here --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:30, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Could you help out with finding sources for this? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:40, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * A map here as well --Lemongirl942 (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

The City of Singapore was a historical entity that was established in 1959 to replace the Town of Singapore which roughly occupied the area of the present-day Central Area. The rest of the island was governed by the Singapore Rural Board. Dismissing the fact that the Central Area is a city is also ultimately rubbish. Its like basically saying that Victoria in Hong Kong wasn't a former city. -- MageLam (talk) 09:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

The area known as the CBD is actually a cluster of subzones located within the Downtown Core itself. Have a look here before you jump to conclusions. -- MageLam (talk) 10:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * OK I found these this as well . The "City of Singapore" was the successor to the "Town of Singapore". What we need to make sure is if the Central Area is indeed referred to as the "City of Singapore" or "Singapore City" at present. Let's find sources for it. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:02, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * A map of the CBD --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:05, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

You miss the point I was driving at.

If Lee Kuan Yew dies and somebody in India names his son with a first name as "Lee Kuan Yew", it doesn't make Harry Lee an Indian.

Likewise, if the City of Singapore was Central Area, it is like saying that Lee Kuan Yew was alive in modern Singapore, IT IS CORRECT.

On another hand, if Central Area was the City of Singapore, it is like saying that modern Singapore was founded by Lee Kuan Yew, again IT IS CORRECT.

However, to say that Central Area IS the City of Singapore, it is akin to saying that Lee Kuan Yew and modern Singapore left you and I a laptop keyboard and / or a smartphone touchscreen, and the best you and I can offer is imagining that a dead man can still type without a single bone left on what was his hands. It is not that you are wrong, it is the very fact that Lee Kuan Yew is dead, so was, and is history. Like I will expounde myself further, what you are trying to do in your prior edits is anything but wrong, it so happened that what you have been trying to do in the edits of these articles, is akin to resurrecting a dead man like a mage summons spirits of dead carcasses - I am perfectly okay with it, in fact I liked what you were doing - however it is anything but true TODAY when I am the one writing the history instead of Lee Kuan Yew. History is not about conclusions, history is about dead people.Linrx (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I do not see what kind of point you are trying to drive here. I'm not here to argue, I'm here to discuss. So I think we can put this aside and talk about the main topic shall we? -- MageLam (talk) 10:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I think you need to do some mediating here. I can feel the drama coming... -- MageLam (talk) 10:12, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No please! OK let's remind ourselves of WP:CIVIL. Let us not say anything sarcastic. Let us just say our points and give reasons and sources. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:14, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I can do this for nobody and nothing in particular. I ask questions instead of answer them then:
 * 1) Is Woodlands (even Punggol, maybe next time) part of Singapore City today? If not, what is?
 * 2) Is Jurong East including Lake Side (even Boon Lay, maybe next time) part of Singapore City today? If not, what is?
 * 3) Is Changi Airport part of Singapore City today? If not, what is?

I do not deny the fact that Singapore City was Central Area. I do not deny the fact that Central Area was Singapore City.

Bonus optional question: If life expectancy is 84 for women, why do three people end up dying so that somebody breathes at 90?

This article is called the Central Area not the Politics of Singapore. If you wanna continue on with your political bullshit, go on, rant. What's the point of discussing this with you then? -- MageLam (talk) 10:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

OK enough. Let's get back on track and evaluate what we know. What we need to find out: The best way to proceed is to find sources for each of the 3 above statements. Let's do it, just find sources. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:44, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Central Area approximate area of the "Central Region" was previously known as Town/City of Singapore during the colonial period. (Hopefully, we agree on this)
 * The Central Area is also known as the "City Area"
 * Is "Central Area" same as "City of Singapore" (at present)
 * Is "Central Area" same as "Singapore city" (at present)
 * Is "Central Area" still termed as a "city" (at present)

Ok, I'll try looking up on sources. Just help me mediate this thing, I don't want this to be the next WWIII. -- MageLam (talk) 10:54, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

So apparently, the historical entity of the City of Singapore isn't entirely conterminous with the present-day Central Area. The jurisdiction of the City of Singapore roughly corresponds to the present-day Central Region (excluding Marine Parade of course). If you look through maps in the records of the National Archives of what is defined as the "City of Singapore", you will see the rough boundaries of what is now the Central Region (as seen here). The terms "City of Singapore" and "Singapore City" have been used interchangeably to describe this area, the former being the official name of the historical city.-- MageLam (talk) 11:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Now with that drama out of the way, let's get back to normal discussion. I have recently redirected the title Central Area to the Central disambiguation page. Do help me out with correcting the links that are made to Central Area, Singapore on the "what links here" page. Thanks! :D -- MageLam (talk) 11:11, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I had to undo your edit (redirect). This is just to avoid breaking current links to "Central Area". The recommended practice is to redirect after in-links have been fixed, not before. (In-links Special:WhatLinksHere/Central_Area). I will fix them gradually. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 12:23, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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